KenH
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No, I have no problem with what I posted that was written by Cheung.
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No, I have no problem with what I posted that was written by Cheung.
Silverhair
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Ken we could go back and forth on this all night but it will not change the fact that your Hype-Calvinist view is not biblical.
KenH
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ALL of the conditions for the salvation of God's elect were all fulfilled in and by Christ Jesus as the Surety for God's elect.
I seem to remember before asking that you not called me "Kenny". Only a few good friends have ever called me "Kenny", and you ain't one of them.
KenH
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Silverhair, we could go back and forth all night, but it will not change the fact that your Conditionalist, man-glorifying views are not Biblical.
Silverhair
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Your post just shows that you really do not understand scripture or that you just ignore what it says. The condition of salvation is faith in God's son. And if you will actually trust what the bible says you will find that one is only part of the elect once they have trusted in His son.
Silverhair
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I did not know that one being humble before God was man-glorifying. Asking for forgiveness no more merits that forgiveness than the prodigal son’s return home merited the reception he received from his father.
So if that is what man-glorifying is then thank you for the compliment
KenH
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Anyone who does not believe that Christ fulfilled ALL of the conditions for salvation is saying that man contributes something to his salvation, and such a viewpoint glorifies man and not God.
Silverhair
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Any person that thinks God believes for them does not understand or trust the bible. Christ Jesus fulfilled all so that salvation is available to all. But while salvation is available to all only those that will trust in the finished work of Christ Jesus will be saved. If you would actually trusted what Christ Jesus said you would know this.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Are these verses not in your bible or do you just ignore them?
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,
Gal 3:8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith,
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
So one is born of God by the will of God after they receive/believe in Christ Jesus. Belief must be in place before the right is given.
You can fuss and fume all day long but as long as you deny scripture and hold to your errant philosophy you are wrong. Scripture is the final authority not what some man tells you that scripture means.
Yes, your violation of godly decorum is a horrendous, God-dishonoring statement.
Just because God can do something, does not support the belief that God did do something. If God's plan is to allow humanity to exercise their autonomous choice of trusting in God and His Christ, or not, God can do it, and it does not mean God is not sovereign, it means He exercises His sovereignty in a manner that differs from the mistaken view of Calvinism.
KenH
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All of God's elect believe as God gives them the gift of faith. (Ephesians 2:8)
I totally reject the false teaching that Christ is merely a partial, potential Savior. Christ actually saved His people according to Matthew 1:21.
KenH
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God does not "allow" man to exercise "autonomous choice" as man does not have "autonomous choice", or as it is called, "libertarian free will". Such a false teaching would mean that the Potter was subject to the whims of the clay, that the Creator was subject to the whims of the creation. Away with such nonsense!
Autonomous chose is not called Libertarian Free Will.
For God to allow something does not mean God is subject to the wills of the creation. He can allow people to sin, and then He can punish them for the sins they chose autonomously to commit.
Once again the attempt to nullify scripture employs nonsense.
Silverhair
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Your post just shows how little you actually understand scripture. Eph 2:8 shows that salvation is the gift and one receives that gift from God through their faith. Mat 1:21 Just tells us that Jesus is the long awaited savior of the Jews, His people. In both cases you are reading into the text what is not there.
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And Jehovah Elohim formed Man, dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and Man [that made from the dust of the ground] became a living soul. Gen 2:7 Darby
What is man that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
For You have made him a little lower than the angels,[fn] Hebrew Elohim, God; Septuagint, Syriac, Targum, and Jewish tradition translate as angels. Heb 2:7 ἀγγέλους
And You have crowned him with glory and honor.
Why? Why did God make him a little lower than the angels?
When he inherits the kingdom of God will he be a little lower than the angels?
Why did God make him a little lower than the angels?
in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God; 2 Cor 4:4
Who is the god of this age? This age, age of what? Beginning? End?
And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ?this age?
Matt 24:3,14 YLT
Luke 20:34-36 YLT And Jesus answering said to them, 'The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage, but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage; for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.
What is man that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
For You have made him a little lower than the angels,[fn] Hebrew Elohim, God; Septuagint, Syriac, Targum, and Jewish tradition translate as angels. Heb 2:7 ἀγγέλους
And You have crowned him with glory and honor.
Why? Why did God make him a little lower than the angels?
When he inherits the kingdom of God will he be a little lower than the angels?
Why did God make him a little lower than the angels?
in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God; 2 Cor 4:4
Who is the god of this age? This age, age of what? Beginning? End?
And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ?this age?
Matt 24:3,14 YLT
Luke 20:34-36 YLT And Jesus answering said to them, 'The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage, but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage; for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.
KenH
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And, yet you claim that Christ's efforts didn't actually save anyone, but only made them savable if they utilize some non-existent "libertarian free will".
KenH
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Ephesians 2:8 is not the only verse that describes faith as a gift: Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake.
I provide the scriptures supporting my views, you provide Calvinist commentary rewriting those scriptures.
The concept of God allowing or permuting actions is found in scripture. See 1 Cor. 16:7 or Hebrews 6:3.