The KJV itself is against KJVO!

[HankD]

KJVO is an attempt by men to bind God's word, is it not?

Yes, it is an attempt, in that the radical KJVO say that there is no other Bible for the English speaking people.

However the fruit that the MV's produce prove it to be a futile attempt.

HankD

 

[Rubato 1]

KJVO is an attempt by men to bind God's word, is it not?

Hardly. It would probably be objectively seen as an attempt to define God's word, but even KJVOers are interested in getting the Word of God to everyone possible...

 

[Askjo]

Although I am not KJVO, I wonder how valid your argument is? Is Paul discussing translations of the bible in 2 Timothy 2.9? No; he is surely saying that, although for the sake of the gospel, he himself is a prisoner, bound in chains, God's Word cannot be bound. The gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ was still going forth.

Correct, I agree with you. No one imprisoned the KJV since almost 400 years.

 

[Salamander]

KJVO is an attempt by men to bind God's word, is it not?

Actually, "KJVO" is the attempt to label those brethren who stand for the KJB while MV proponents rail upon their person.

Having a KJB only stand is knowing God preserved His word in the KJB so as to be understood by its wording as to maintain doctrines when taking the entire word of God as comparable scripture with scripture and come to no conclusion there could be a contradiction.

It's the wording that allows that to be when context and definition are considered.

All I've seen is another very loosely opinionated rendering of the scripture to attack a stand for the word of God to be forever preserved in the English language.

 

[Salamander]

One can be bound so that his voice not be heard, but the Spirit of God can move upon the hearts of men and even Baalim's donkey.

 

[Amy.G]

One can be bound so that his voice not be heard, but the Spirit of God can move upon the hearts of men and even Baalim's donkey.

And if God can speak through a donkey, He can surely speak through the NKJV, NASB, ESV, well you get the point.

 

[Rubato 1]

And if God can speak through a donkey, He can surely speak through the NKJV, NASB, ESV, well you get the point.

Boy that says an awful lot...:laugh:

 

[Bro. James]

One could make a similar analogy to justify making golden calves.

You shall know the Truth, the Truth shall make you free.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

[robycop3]

Sal:Actually, "KJVO" is the attempt to label those brethren who stand for the KJB while MV proponents rail upon their person. [/i]

They have labeled themselves with their incorrect "stand".

Having a KJB only stand is knowing God preserved His word in the KJB so as to be understood by its wording as to maintain doctrines when taking the entire word of God as comparable scripture with scripture and come to no conclusion there could be a contradiction.

Actually, having a KJVO stand is attempting to place a man-made theory in authority over the word of GOD.

It's the wording that allows that to be when context and definition are considered.

And that wording has been left behind by 400 years of the march of time & progress.

All I've seen is another very loosely opinionated rendering of the scripture to attack a stand for the word of God to be forever preserved in the English language.

All I've seen from KJVO is a man-made attempt to bind the word of God with a man-made doctrine that isn't endorsed by GOD in the slightest degree.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

All I've seen from KJVO is a man-made attempt to bind the word of God with a man-made doctrine that isn't endorsed by GOD in the slightest degree.

I disagree with the red portion. No KJVO that I have ever encounters attempts to bind God's word. They may interpret the meaning of "God's word" differently from me - but I can't accept that they seek to bind it.

 

[robycop3]

I disagree with the red portion. No KJVO that I have ever encounters attempts to bind God's word. They may interpret the meaning of "God's word" differently from me - but I can't accept that they seek to bind it.

Dont'cha think they try to bind it to the KJV alone?

 

[Mexdeaf]

I disagree with Roby's exegesis, but I do see his point. Although I have not heard it preached recently, there was a time in KJVO circles when they declared that if you were not saved through the KJV, you were not saved at all.

That is an admittedly extreme position, but it does reflect a 'binding' of Biblical doctrine to the KJV.

 

[Salamander]

I disagree with Roby's exegesis, but I do see his point. Although I have not heard it preached recently, there was a time in KJVO circles when they declared that if you were not saved through the KJV, you were not saved at all.

That is an admittedly extreme position, but it does reflect a 'binding' of Biblical doctrine to the KJV.

Yeah, I've known some ignorant Christians before. I told one young man that no one could have been saved before 1611, if that were true, and all the Apostles and the penmen who gave us the word of God as they were inspired were lost as well.

All he could do is look at me in "wonder" that some one who stands on the KJB as I do would "say such a thang!":godisgood:

 

[Salamander]

And if God can speak through a donkey, He can surely speak through the NKJV, NASB, ESV, well you get the point.

He does, everywhere there isn't a contradiction or a misleading in their text, but we all know it's that way within everyone you listed.

I've never said they weren't good commentaries now have I?

 

[Salamander]

I disagree with the red portion. No KJVO that I have ever encounters attempts to bind God's word. They may interpret the meaning of "God's word" differently from me - but I can't accept that they seek to bind it.

Only roby thinks we bind the word of God, yet he would be right when he says that about us who make Bibles in tangible form.

I used to work in a bindery, making books that is, so those who are KJB onlies that bind Bibles are binding the word of God!:laugh:

 

[gb93433]

We all know that the AV translators were NOT KJVO from their comments in the preface of the AV1611, but is there anything in the TEXT besides the OT quotes found in the NT, and Luke 4;16-21, that shows the apostles were not bound to one version or translation? YES, THERE IS!

In 2 Tim. 2:9 in the KJV, Paul says,"Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

The Greek word rendered 'bound' here is 'deo', which means EXACTLY THAT. No amount of KJVO Scripture-twisting will make it correctly read any other way.

Attempting to LIMIT GOD to the KJV alone in English is an attempt to bind His word, and, according to Paul, who had a 'hot line' to JESUS, that's just not gonna happen.

There were different translation of the OT during the time of Jesus. There are times when Paul quote something and it does not seen to be found aywhere.

 

[EdSutton]

One can be bound so that his voice not be heard, but the Spirit of God can move upon the hearts of men and even Baalim's donkey.

And if God can speak through a donkey, ...

21 And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab.
22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.
23 And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.
24 But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side.
25 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.
26 And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.
27 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.
28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay.
31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face. (Num. 22:21-31 - KJV)

15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. (II Pet. 2:15-16 - KJV)

From the account, it appears there was one dumb ass arguing with another. :applause:

I suggest that Balaam's dumb ass might be somewhat likened to Joseph. Joseph, was also moved by and spoke by the Holy Spirit (Gen. 41:16, 38), and had 12 brothers and sisters, who lived long lives, but who did not necessarily speak according to the Spirit of God, however.

I do hope that others can distinguish between who is the man and who is the beast in my conversations, unlike that of Balaam and his ass, for sometimes in fact, given some conversations I have had, I have suspected that I was speaking to a full brother or sister of Balaam's ass, and who is still living today!


Ed

 

[robycop3]

Regardless of whether or not one applies 2 Tim. 2:9 to the binding of God's word in versions or not, I shall never, at least while on earth, believe God's word is restricted to just one version. Such an idea does not occur whatsoever in God's word, and all the evidence points against such an idea. While some of you don't believe the Timothy verse applies to this fact, I believe it does, so we're just gonna hafta agree to disagree.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I shall never, at least while on earth, believe God's word is restricted to just one version.

No problem with that

 

[Pastor_Bob]

I shall never, at least while on earth, believe God's word is restricted to just one version.

I agree 100%.

While some of you don't believe the Timothy verse applies to this fact, I believe it does, so we're just gonna hafta agree to disagree.

Granted. Now, will you also grant the KJVO the privilege of applying Psalm 12:6-7 to the preservation of God's Word?