The lack of observance of the Lord's day in our secular culture

[convicted1]

One thing about it, I'd be in big trouble, because I work in a hospital, and it is open on sunday. Thank God for His Grace.

 

[annsni]

One thing about it, I'd be in big trouble, because I work in a hospital, and it is open on sunday. Thank God for His Grace.

Heathen.......



:smilewinkgrin:

 

[convicted1]

Heathen.......



:smilewinkgrin:

Well, I must be improving by God's Grace. The other day I was called a reprobate.....no I wan't either. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[annsni]

Well, I must be improving by God's Grace. The other day I was called a reprobate.....no I wan't either. :smilewinkgrin:

I worked today - gotta work or there will be no church!! But now it's time for mama to plant her rear on the living room couch and do nothing!! I'm ready for the Sabbath!! Although later I WILL heat up some wings and pigs in a blanket for the game.

 

[convicted1]

I worked today - gotta work or there will be no church!! But now it's time for mama to plant her rear on the living room couch and do nothing!! I'm ready for the Sabbath!! Although later I WILL heat up some wings and pigs in a blanket for the game.

Whoa there a minute Sister!! You should have made double the size wings and pigs in a blanket yesterday. That's what they did in the OT in regards to gathering manna. If you heat them up, you're profaning the Sabbath, and your house might cave in. This wouldn't be kosher, would it? Oy vey!! :laugh: :love2:

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I'm delighted to be agreeing on this matter with my brother Kyredneck. God gave ten Commandments, not nine, and those commandments were of a different order to the rest of the Mosaic law (Deut 5:22).

'If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and doing as you please on my holy day; if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD's holy day honourable, and if you honour it by not going your own way and not doing what you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the LORD, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land, and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob. The mouth of the LORD has spoken' (Isaiah 58:13-14).

Steve

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Whoa there a minute Sister!! You should have made double the size wings and pigs in a blanket yesterday. That's what they did in the OT in regards to gathering manna. If you heat them up, you're profaning the Sabbath, and your house might cave in. This wouldn't be kosher, would it? Oy vey!! :laugh: :love2:

Oye momela, you can do whatever you want to after the sun goes down but make sure those franks in a blanket are Hebrew National & DONT mix meat with dairy. Also, a little sponge cake wouldn't hurt! Go Giants!!!

 

[convicted1]

Oye momela, you can do whatever you want to after the sun goes down but make sure those franks in a blanket are Hebrew National & DONT mix meat with dairy. Also, a little sponge cake wouldn't hurt! Go Giants!!!

Have you been watching "Feed Me Bubbe" on JLTV? :laugh:


By the way GO GIANTS

 

[annsni]

Whoa there a minute Sister!! You should have made double the size wings and pigs in a blanket yesterday. That's what they did in the OT in regards to gathering manna. If you heat them up, you're profaning the Sabbath, and your house might cave in. This wouldn't be kosher, would it? Oy vey!! :laugh: :love2:

I even have a Sabbath setting on my oven!! LOL Never did figure that one out. You put your food in and push a button and that's not working???? I don't know.....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Have you been watching "Feed Me Bubbe" on JLTV? :laugh:


By the way GO GIANTS

No but I have allot of Jewish friends & one is a Rabbi (he is a great guy & very committed to his faith)....he is even teaching me Hebrew. The Yiddish is just schmaltzy humor.

now I will have to find a guy from one of Jerseys Diners teach me Greek so I can play with the big Dawgs.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I even have a Sabbath setting on my oven!! LOL Never did figure that one out. You put your food in and push a button and that's not working???? I don't know.....

Isnt that the "GOY" Button? I thinks a timer (preset).

 

[Tom Butler]

I think all of the ten commandments were reinforced in the New Testament, except one: the Sabbath.
Colossians 2:16-17

http://www.biblegateway.com/audio/mclean/kjv/Col.2.16-Col.2.17
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I think all of the ten commandments were reinforced in the New Testament, except one: the Sabbath.
Colossians 2:16-17

Tom, do you buy into this "New Covenant Theology" ..... I personally struggle with anything with the title NEW.

 

[Jerome]

Yes, the CT/NCT rift in the new Reformed Baptist movement developed several decades ago ostensibly over this sabbatarianism issue. But John Reisinger points out it was mostly a manufactured issue by certain leaders to deflect attention from criticism of their extreme authoritarianism:

This is the one thing that has hindered and hampered the Reformed Baptist movement ever since the doctrines of grace became secondary to the all consuming drive for a "true New Testament institution with duly authorized officers." There is a sense in which "law/grace/Sabbath" is not really the heart of the present controversy among Reformed Baptists. It is, in some cases, a smoke screen that men use to keep their congregation from discussing the whole issue of authority and liberty of conscience. This is not always the case. Some Godly men are concerned with what they feel (wrongly but sincerely) is real doctrinal error. However, some men see their personal power destroyed if their view of eldership is wrong. These men drag the Sabbath out as a red herring.

http://solochristo.com/theology/Church/reiwh.htm

 

[Tom Butler]

Tom, do you buy into this "New Covenant Theology" ..... I personally struggle with anything with the title NEW.

It's not a question of whether I buy into NCT; it's a question of what the scriptures day.

Please define New Covenant Theology for me, and I can tell you whether I buy into it. Also, why do you have problems with "New?"

When I said all but one of the Ten Commandments were reinforced in the New Testament, here's one I had in mind:
Ephesians 6:1

Children, obey your parents in the Lord for this is right.

That sounds like "Honor thy Father and they Mother" to me.

 

[Iconoclast]

It's not a question of whether I buy into NCT; it's a question of what the scriptures day.

Please define New Covenant Theology for me, and I can tell you whether I buy into it. Also, why do you have problems with "New?"

When I said all but one of the Ten Commandments were reinforced in the New Testament, here's one I had in mind:
Ephesians 6:1

That sounds like "Honor thy Father and they Mother" to me.

9there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God

here is the tenth out of ten

 

[Iconoclast]

One thing about it, I'd be in big trouble, because I work in a hospital, and it is open on sunday. Thank God for His Grace.

Works of necessity and mercy are always to be done.

 

[Iconoclast]

Exodus 31:15-17 =]

Saturday, the Sabbath, has nothing to do with anyone but God and the children of Israel.

Sunday, the Lord's Day, is not a Christian substitute for a Jewish Sabbath.[/COLOR

Scarlett...saturday was the ot sabbath..yes..

What is the LORDS DAY??...what does that mean?

John says in rev1..i was in the Spirit...on the Lord's day?


We are still under the ten commandments.All men are under them.Christians are rightly related to them...all ten..not just 9 out of ten.

Church attendance is not a sacrament nor one of the Ten Commandments.

The 10 commandments are not abrogated..or thrown out. It is a duty of man to worship God ..one day in 7.

Jesus Christ is our Sabbath rest. We should be "at rest" in Him (obedient to Him, loving Him, revering Him as Lord) every single day - not just one.

Our eternal salvation rest is in Jesus. But Jesus was also the Ot saints eternal rest...yet they were to keep one day in 7...as we are

9there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God

a different word is used in verse9
from Pastor Sinclair Ferguson;

The anonymous author of Hebrews found different ways of describing the superiority of the Lord Jesus Christ. One of them, which forms the underlying motif of chapters 3 and 4, is that Jesus Christ gives the rest that neither Moses nor Joshua could provide. Under Moses, the people of God were disobedient and failed to enter into God’s rest (3:18). Psalm 95:11 (quoted in Hebrews 4:3) implies that Joshua could not have given the people “real rest” since “through David” God speaks about the rest he will give on another day (Heb. 4:7). This in turn implies that “There remains a sabbath rest for the people of God” (Heb. 4:9).
In speaking of this rest (3:18; 4:1, 3–6, 8) the author consistently used the same word for “rest” (katapausis). Suddenly, in speaking about the “rest” that remains for the people of God, he uses a different word (sabbatismos, used only here in the NT) meaning specifically a Sabbath rest. In the context of his teaching, this refers fundamentally to the “Sabbath rest” which is found in Christ (“Come … I will give you rest,” Matt. 11:28–30). Thus we are to “strive to enter that rest” (4:11).

here is the whole article;
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/sabbath-rest/

With that being said, I am at church every time the doors are open. Not because I have to but because I want to.​

Well Scarlett that is good....as you are instinctively doing what is correct.
All Christians who keep the lord's day...do so because they want to.:thumbsup:​

 

[Iconoclast]

Oh please Icono....this all reminds me of exactly what the Orthodox Jews do....next you will be keeping kosher.

EWF,
I am not speaking of a rigid , legalistic chore.....I am speaking of delighting in God's word....EWF....do you make any preparation for sitting under the word preached at all...or do you just tumble out of bed and show up...no prayer? no anticpation of meeting with the living God??? just casually show up and put in time?

EWF....have you studied this out and come to your ideas...or have you not really considered that The Lord is also Lord of how we use our time.

Maybe I am wrong....show me where Pastor Ferguson has this wrong in this short article;
it takes only a few minutes to read...a bit longer if you want to interact with the verses....
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/sabbath-rest/:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Iconoclast]

For any interested in a more detailed study;
From A Baptist Cathechism with Commentary..pg99 by W.R.Downing

Quest. 51: What is the significance of the Fourth Commandment?
Ans: The Fourth Commandment reveals that God is sovereign over
time, and requires man to keep as holy unto God such times
as he has appointed in his Word.
See also: Gen. 2:2–3; Ex. 16:25–30; 23:10–12; 31:13–17; Lev. 19:30;
23:3; 26:2; Numb. 15:32–36; Deut. 5:12–15; 2 Kgs. 4:22–23; Neh.
13:15–22; Isa. 58:13–14; Ezk. 23:38; Amos 8:4–5; Matt. 12:1–13;
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28:1; Mk. 2:23–28; Lk. 4:16; 23:56; 24:1; Jn. 7:22–23; 20:1, 19; Acts
13:14–41; 17:3; 20:7; Rom. 14:5–6; 1 Cor. 16:2; Gal. 4:10–11; Col.
2:16–17; 2 Thess. 3:10–12; Heb. 4:1–11; 10:25; Rev. 1:10; 10:5–6.
COMMENTARY
The Fourth Commandment reveals the absolute sovereignty of God over
man with regard to the use of his time—labor, rest, worship and recreation.
The Sabbath, reflecting the rest of God upon finishing the work of creation,
comes to man as a Divine blessing and gift, not a restriction or burden (Isa.
58:13–14). The division of this Commandment is four–fold: first, the
strongest admonition both to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy [set
apart]. Second, the recognition of work, Third, rest from work. Fourth, the
reason for the Sabbath. It reflects the Divine rest after the work of creation—a
rest of pleasure and satisfaction.
The First Commandment reveals the absolute sovereignty of God over our
worship; the Second, the spirituality of our worship; the Third, our inward–
attitude in worship. The Fourth Commandment reveals the absolute
sovereignty of God over our time—work and rest, worship and vocation,
labor and recreation.One must work before he can rest. Six days are the God–given time–
frame for work. Note that six days of work are not necessarily commanded,
but rather that all man’s work is to be done within six days that he might rest
on the seventh: The opening words “Six days shalt thou labour…” must not
be arbitrarily separated from the remainder of the statement, “…and do all thy
work,” implying a six–day time–frame for work that the Sabbath might
remain separate as a day of rest.
The weekly Sabbath was not the only “Sabbath” that God commanded
Israel to observe. There were weekly (Ex. 20:8–11; Deut. 5:12–15), monthly
(Numb. 28:11–15; Rom. 14:5–6) and yearly Sabbaths (Ex. 12:1–20, 43–50;
Lev. 23:15–44; Numb. 28:16–25; 29:1–40), one observed every seven years
(Ex. 23:10–11; Lev. 25:1–7, 18–22; 2 Chron. 36:20–21) and one observed
every fifty years (Lev. 25:8–18). Some were purely rest–days, some were
feast–days and some were days of corporate worship. To correctly understand
the full significance of the weekly Sabbath, one must understand the whole
Sabbath–principle commanded by God. The following is a short study on the
various “Sabbaths”:
The Sabbath–principle of Israel was a principle of rest for man, animals
and the land, instituted by God. It looked back to creation and Israel’s
deliverance from Egypt, looked to God in covenant–relationship and looked
ahead prophetically to the redemption of the whole creation. This principle
was also a principle of celebration. Both typically anticipated the redemption–
rest in the Lord Jesus Christ and in future glory (Deut. 5:12–15; Rom. 8:18–
23; Heb. 4:1–11; 2 Pet. 3:7–18).
To be biblical and consistent, one must make a distinction between the
provisional [ceremonial, civil] and the perpetual: The Sabbath [rest and
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worship]–principle is perpetual, as reflected in both God’s creation–rest (Gen.
2:2–3; Ex. 20:11) and the need for man to rest, i.e., “the Sabbath was made
for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mk. 2:27). The Sabbath–principle points
ahead to the redemptive rest in the Lord Jesus Christ (Deut. 5:12–15; Heb.
4:1–11. Note that Heb. 4:9 literally reads “a Sabbath rest” in the Gk.), and so
has a typical significance which will find complete fulfillment in the final
redemption of man and the earth, when the Sabbath rest of God and man shall
find its ultimate realization (Rom. 8:18–23; 2 Pet. 3:13).What, then, in essence, is the perpetual and ultimate significance of the
Sabbath? The Sabbath is described as “the Sabbath of the Lord God,” i.e., his
Sabbath and is traced back to his primeval rest of celebration,
accomplishment, satisfaction [“all was very good”] and anticipation (Gen.
2:1–3). The national or covenant significance to Israel was both temporary
and typological (Ex. 16:25–30; 23:10–12; 31:13–17; Deut. 5:12–15), awaiting
its true and full significance among believers within the New or Gospel
Covenant (Heb. 4:1–11).
Believers are now brought into union with Christ and so rejoice in his
finished redemptive work and spiritually “rest” by faith in him. We celebrate
our glorious salvation. Note the anticipation of that “[Sabbath–]rest which
remaineth for the people of God” (Heb. 4:9). We await our future glorification
(Rom. 8:14–23) and the restoration of all creation which, again, will render
everything pristine and “very good” in the creation of “new heavens and a
new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness” (2 Pet. 3:7–13). With creation
ultimately and infallibly restored, and the elect of God finally and fully
redeemed, the full and final rest of God will be accomplished. The Sabbath
then, ought to be a celebration of our redemption, a delight, a rest, both
physical and spiritual and an anticipation of that glory which is to come. Such
thoughts ought to sanctify and make the Lord’s Day a delight.While it is true that in neither the Old or New Testaments did God
explicitly change the weekly Sabbath from the seventh to the first day, since
the resurrection of our Lord, Christians have met on the first day of the week
(Matt. 28:1; Acts 2:1ff; 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2; Rev. 1:10). It was our Lord’s
resurrection–day, the Day of Pentecost, which marked out the New Testament
church as God’s ordained institution for this Gospel economy by the
empowering of the Spirit; and anticipates the full and final restoration of all
things, of which his resurrection was but the first declaration. The first day
(traditionally “Sunday”) thus distinguishes Christian worship from Jewish
worship. This was the inspired apostolic practice throughout the New
Testament. Thus, observing the first day of the week as the Lord’s Day is not
merely traditional; it is implicitly and explicitly biblical (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor.
16:2).
Have you found that promised rest in the Lord Jesus? Do you find the
Lord’s Day a delight? Do you take time to anticipate and rejoice in the
coming Sabbath of creation?