The Law and the Gospel: Different Dispensations?

[convicted1]

Many are gonna be shocked to find out that when Christ returns in the Cloud, that He'll have His reward with Him then. It's then that He will separate the sheep and goats, and the sheep go home to Glory and the goats to everlasting torment and shame.

 

[kyredneck]

any who suggest the ten commandments are not in effect are offering an unbiblical teaching known as antinomianism

The question is, "To what effect?" I'm not disputing they are in effect. But to what purpose?

Do you think you could stand in the final judgment if the standard is 'The Golden Rule'?
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2074101#post2074101

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

It's then that He will separate the sheep and goats, and the sheep go home to Glory and the goats to everlasting torment and shame.

That's at the end of the Tribulation, and as the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation, this will be the reward and punishment of those who become faithful, and remain so to the end, during the Tribulation.

 

[kyredneck]

Although I disagree totally with your dispy oriented sequence of events of the judgment in Mt 25, I ask, from your previous question, what do you think is the standard that Christ is judging from here?:

33 and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in;
36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.
46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life. Mt 25

(Lol, sounds like a whoooole lot went on during those 'seven years of great tribulation')

 

[beameup]

So you believe the apocryphal gospel of Paul but obviously nothing else he wrote.

I have no idea what you are conjuring up here.
Romans through Philemon are written to/for the Body of Christ.

Just how many gospels do you have?.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the Gospel of the Uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul],
as the Gospel of the Circumcision was unto Peter Galatians 2:7

The Gospel of the Circumcision emphasizes the role of Israel (the Jewish Nation) ushering in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth (ie: Millennium).
"Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven"

 

[OldRegular]

Just to refresh your memory you posted:

Matthew, Mark & Luke are "old covenant" and not applicable to the Body of Christ for doctrine -

Which is absolute nonsense and I responded as follows:

That is hyper-dispensational nonsense! That is not my opinion that is Scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I have no idea what you are conjuring up here.
Romans through Philemon are written to/for the Body of Christ.

So you see beameup your argument is foolishly contrary to Scripture once again but then hyper-dispensationalism is contrary to Scripture.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the Gospel of the Uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul],
as the Gospel of the Circumcision was unto Peter Galatians 2:7

The Gospel of the Circumcision emphasizes the role of Israel (the Jewish Nation) ushering in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth (ie: Millennium).
"Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven"

There is only one Gospel beameup, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Any other gospel is heretical!

 

[Yeshua1]

Well said. Perhaps you did not notice that the vast majority of Christians believe in antinomianism. To me its a deception of Satan of which most have been deceived. How often do you hear the 10 commandments being preach din churches these days? Almost never...

No, rather most of us believe that we are still under the moral aspects of the law, but that God wrote that upon us in new natures, and the way to keep them for today is by living and abiding in the presense and person of the Holy Spirit!

Not anti law, but anti keeping it in order to get or kept saved by God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Many are gonna be shocked to find out that when Christ returns in the Cloud, that He'll have His reward with Him then. It's then that He will separate the sheep and goats, and the sheep go home to Glory and the goats to everlasting torment and shame.

Actually, the save dwill be gloried and depart, while the unsaved remain in the great tribulation period!

 

[Yeshua1]

Just to refresh your memory you posted:


Which is absolute nonsense and I responded as follows:



So you see beameup your argument is foolishly contrary to Scripture once again but then hyper-dispensationalism is contrary to Scripture.




There is only one Gospel beameup, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Any other gospel is heretical!

I am a Dispy, but I see the NT scriptures started with the 4 Gospels, and that ALL of the Bible is to be read and applied, OT/NT, not JUST Pauiline Epistles now!

 

[beameup]

I am a Dispy, but I see the NT scriptures started with the 4 Gospels, and that ALL of the Bible is to be read and applied, OT/NT, not JUST Pauiline Epistles now!

Catholic doctrine would concur with equality (actually elevation) of the "Gospels" for doctrine. "He that endures to the end shall be saved".

Unfortunately, Jesus was not addressing "the church" in the "Gospels", he was addressing Israel (Jews).
"He came unto his own, but his own received him not". He spoke the words that the Father gave him to speak.
It's very clear in scripture that "the church" was a hidden mystery that was revealed to Paul.
Paul (actually the Holy Spirit) states in 3 places that he is THE Apostle to the Gentiles.
Paul is FOUNDATIONAL, Paul is the MASTERBUILDER. Catholic clergy detest such "free thinking".

Feel free to believe whatever you want.

 

[Yeshua1]

Catholic doctrine would concur with equality (actually elevation) of the "Gospels" for doctrine. "He that endures to the end shall be saved".

Unfortunately, Jesus was not addressing "the church" in the "Gospels", he was addressing Israel (Jews).
"He came unto his own, but his own received him not". He spoke the words that the Father gave him to speak.
It's very clear in scripture that "the church" was a hidden mystery that was revealed to Paul.
Paul (actually the Holy Spirit) states in 3 places that he is THE Apostle to the Gentiles.
Paul is FOUNDATIONAL, Paul is the MASTERBUILDER. Catholic clergy detest such "free thinking".

Feel free to believe whatever you want.

Do you have the OT books as inspired canon then, or is your bible just for today the Pauline Epistles? Would make for a small one, thats for sure!

 

[beameup]

Do you have the OT books as inspired canon then, or is your bible just for today the Pauline Epistles? Would make for a small one, thats for sure!

Jews elevate the Torah above the rest of Scripture (Tanakh)
Catholics elevate the Gospels above the rest of Scripture
I elevate the Pauline Epistles above the rest of Scripture

 

[convicted1]

That's at the end of the Tribulation, and as the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation, this will be the reward and punishment of those who become faithful, and remain so to the end, during the Tribulation.

1 Thes. 4, Matt. 25, and Rev. 20 are all talking about the same event when both small and great stand before Him. In the dispy view, only the goats will stand before Him, yet Matt. 25 and Rev. 20 refute that conclusion, imo.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

1 Thes. 4, Matt. 25, and Rev. 20 are all talking about the same event when both small and great stand before Him.

1 Thessalonians 4 is talking about the Rapture, and the subject is further developed in 2 Thessalonians 2. Matthew 25:31-46 is the end of the Tribulation when the saints of that period prior to final judgment are called before the Lord along with those who survived the Earthly battles who did not believe. Revelation 20 is actually the final judgment. Three different events.

In the dispy view, only the goats will stand before Him, yet Matt. 25 and Rev. 20 refute that conclusion, imo.

I'm a dispensationalist. It's obvious both the sheep and the goats stand before Him. Where do you get the idea dispensationalists think only the goats will stand?

 

[convicted1]

I'm a dispensationalist. It's obvious both the sheep and the goats stand before Him. Where do you get the idea dispensationalists think only the goats will stand?

Yeshua1 for one...

 

[InTheLight]

Hope that helps, and I hope I haven't horrifically misrepresented anyone's camp

Fail......

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeshua1 for one...

I believe thatChristians get judged for their good works as to eternal rewards ay Bhema seat of Christ, while lost go to GWT....

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Yeshua1 for one...

::: Making note to talk to Yeshua1 :::

 

[Iconoclast]

The question is, "To what effect?" I'm not disputing they are in effect. But to what purpose?

From chap 19 of the 1689 confession of faith;

5._____ The moral law doth for ever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof, and that not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it; neither doth Christ in the Gospel any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
( Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8, 10-12; James 2:10, 11; Matthew 5:17-19; Romans 3:31 )

6._____ Although true believers be not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, in that as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts, and lives, so as examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against, sin; together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ and the perfection of his obedience; it is likewise of use to the regenerate to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin; and the threatenings of it serve to shew what even their sins deserve, and what afflictions in this life they may expect for them, although freed from the curse and unallayed rigour thereof. The promises of it likewise shew them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof, though not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works; so as man's doing good and refraining from evil, because the law encourageth to the one and deterreth from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law and not under grace.
( Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:16; Romans 8:1; Romans 10:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, etc; Romans 6:12-14; 1 Peter 3:8-13 )

7._____ Neither are the aforementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it, the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely and cheerfully which the will of God, revealed in the law, requireth to be done.
( Galatians 3:21; Ezekiel 36:27 )