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The Liberal's Go To Guy, John McCain
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Baptist in Richmond
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777 said:
The term is offensive? You really have no idea what it means, do you?
Neoconservatism describes someone who moves from the left to the right. It was coined by liberals to describe those who they felt abandoned their values. NEO - meaning new conservative.
John MCain has not move from the left to the right. In fact he never really made it farther than 1 cm past center. John MCain is not a new conservative.
John MCain has not move from the left to the right. In fact he never really made it farther than 1 cm past center. John MCain is not a new conservative.
Baptist in Richmond said:
The old guilt by association thing, huh?
You still haven't told us why you think McCain is a neocon like Kennedy.
You do have a reason that is actually yours, don't you? Please don't tell us you're going strictly by what others think or do.
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Revmitchell said:
That is not entirely accurate. Some of the founders of Neoconservatism fit this description, but this is not an all-inclusive definition, most notably Kristol and Horowitz. Do you really believe that Dick Cheney was a liberal at one time?
No, the Neoconservative camp includes more than the definition you provide. When was Jeb Bush a liberal? As for the idea that he "never made it farther than 1 cm past center," I would disagree with that assertion.
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
Baptist in Richmond
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carpro said:The old guilt by association thing, huh?
HUH?
They are working as advisors to his camp.
The reason is due to the fact that I do not agree with your assertion that Kennedy was a Neocon.
This is utterly nonsensical, even for you carpro.
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Baptist in Richmond said:
Want to give it at least one shot in your own words why you think McCain is a neocon?
This is the last time I'll ask. The only question is , will you refuse again?
If you do, we'll be forced to believe that either you don't know why or you can't think for yourself. Neither one would surprise me.
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carpro said:
This is abject fatuity, nothing more. I have already indicated why I believe he is a Neocon. Look no further than his voting record, and the advisors who are working with him. How much clearer does it have to be for you?
Isn't it interesting that you are asking me what I think, when I have already stated what I think and why I think it (even giving you references). Even the most casual observer can see why I contend that McCain is a Neocon.
Now, the interesting part of this whole exchange with you is that you have offered nothing in the way of proof for anything you contend. You simply write assertions that have no basis in fact (we all know that you never get allow yourself to get bogged down with proving anything you write). Quite the contrary: you have simply offered your opinion, which is quite clear to anyone that has read anything by Kristol or Strauss that you do not have even a rudimentary understanding of the Neoconservatives. If you have something for us that can change my view of McCain, then by all means give us something more than your unfounded assertions.
Carpro, most people would be embarrassed at such a public display as the one you have given in this thread.
Baptist in Richmond said:
Never thanks for making my point.
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Originally Posted by carpro
Want to give it at least one shot in your own words why you think McCain is a neocon?
This is the last time I'll ask. The only question is , will you refuse again?
If you do, we'll be forced to believe that either you don't know why or you can't think for yourself. Neither one would surprise me.
Fine.
Now we all know that you don't know why you think he's a neocon in addition to not being able to think for yourself.
Neocon is just a name you throw around because you need something to call someone that makes it sound like you have a clue.
You've blown your cover.
Abject fatuity? :laugh: You haven't used that one for awhile. Next will be your other favorite, "bearing false witness". :thumbs:
Bring it on. But stay away from the neocon thing. You're in over your head.
Originally Posted by carpro
Want to give it at least one shot in your own words why you think McCain is a neocon?
This is the last time I'll ask. The only question is , will you refuse again?
If you do, we'll be forced to believe that either you don't know why or you can't think for yourself. Neither one would surprise me.
Baptist in Richmond said:
Fine.
Now we all know that you don't know why you think he's a neocon in addition to not being able to think for yourself.
Neocon is just a name you throw around because you need something to call someone that makes it sound like you have a clue.
You've blown your cover.
Abject fatuity? :laugh: You haven't used that one for awhile. Next will be your other favorite, "bearing false witness". :thumbs:
Bring it on. But stay away from the neocon thing. You're in over your head.
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carpro said:
Wow: John Mellencamp was right.........
To usurp a quote from Alan Dershowitz, on Planet Carpro, this makes sense, but here in the real world, you really look foolish. I stand by my statements and provided links to what I believe. That is true, regardless of whether or not you want to acknowledge that fact.
Perhaps you could direct me to what you ascertained about Neoconservatism in your research. I have practically everything Irving Kristol has written, so please try to give me some of the research you did using his works as your reference point. I don't have much with respect to Leo Strauss, but I do have access to more. You can reference him as well.
After all, someone with your in-depth knowledge of Neoconservatism should not have any trouble providing us with anything.
[Wow: we made it all the way to page 10, and you cannot offer anything as proof for what you write.]
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Revmitchell said:
Why do you label McCain as a liberal? Because he is is not a very strong argument.
1) He's for a strong military and continuing the war in Iraq,
2) He's for continuing Bush's tax cuts,
3) He's pro-life.
Give me 3 strong reasons why he is a liberal.
BaptistBeliever said:
1. McCain - Fiengold
2. Illegal criminal amnesty
3. Federal Marriage Amendment
4. Media in the middle east amendment
5.Denying Legal Status for Immigrants Convicted of Certain Crimes
6.Same Sex Marriage Resolution
Petra-O IX
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I have no idea what #5 is about . What I do know is that in 2006 the senate votted 99-0 to block illegal immigrants convicted of crimes from becoming legal residents or U.S. citizens. I do not see this as a liberal train of thought.Revmitchell said:
saturneptune
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Who is the candidate that meets your high standards and deserves your vote?Revmitchell said:
PastorSBC1303
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saturneptune said:
Good luck on getting this answered.
Baptist in Richmond
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BaptistBeliever said:
:thumbs:
Not just a conservative, a Neoconservative.....
Regards, happy Sunday to you and yours,
BiR
JustChristian
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Revmitchell said:
Why do you call this liberal?
5.Denying Legal Status for Immigrants Convicted of Certain Crimes
I agree that we shouldn't allow illegal immigrants to become citizens if they are criminals. Do you support that? Why?
BaptistBeliever said:
He voted no on denying them legal staus.
Petra-O IX
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Revmitchell said:
In 2006 the senate voted 99-0 to block illegal immigrants convicted of crimes from becoming legal residents or U.S. citizens.
Was there another vote on this issue?
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