1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

The Little (Pagan) Drummer Boy

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by Aaron, Dec 10, 2006.

  1. Helen

    Helen <img src =/Helen2.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2001
    Messages:
    11,703
    Likes Received:
    2
    Yes, Aaron it is.

    Mark 14 (and parallel accounts) when the woman anointed Jesus' feet with expensive perfume -- she did the best she knew. He accepted it.
    "Leave her alone...Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me...She did what she could. she poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she had done will also be told, in memory of her."

    Then there is this from Luke 18:
    "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men --robbers, evildoers, adulterers -- or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
    Bu the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
    I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

    I am also reminded of Jesus talking to the woman at the well in John 4:
    "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

    The imaginary little drummer boy of the song seems to me to have exemplified all three of these passages.
     
  2. tinytim

    tinytim <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    OK, I hate to ruin this great theological thread, but I will ask the obvious question that Aaron wants asked....

    What makes the drums biblically unfit?

    We all know you don't like the song because it has a drum in it.
     
  3. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,756
    Likes Received:
    795
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Um, yes.

    Since when has anyone offered "perfect worship"? Yet God accepts it when it is offered in spirit and in truth. ("Spirit and truth" is mentioned by Jesus in John 4 -- Jesus tells the woman that worship at the temple in Jerusalem is more correct that the worship of the Samaritans at their alternative site, but the day has now come where worshipping in "spirit and truth" is the important thing.)
     
  4. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,756
    Likes Received:
    795
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Can you give me a scriptural example of this that is not tied to temple worship?
     
  5. Lagardo

    Lagardo New Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2006
    Messages:
    691
    Likes Received:
    0
    Everyone claims that this song is about giving what you have to Jesus. The wise men has gold, etc. but the little drummer boy could only play the drum, so he did.

    I tell you, the little drummer boy could not play the drum and was only giving what he wanted, not what he could.

    Ask any drummer what the primary role of a drum is and they will tell you that it keeps time. Now look at the song:

    If you are playing the drums and relying on livestock to keep the time for you, you are no drummer. How often so we see people trying to tell God what our gifts are, rather than being satisfied with how He gifts us?

    I think this little drummer boy song is secretly teaching selfish pride. :thumbs:
     
  6. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    20,253
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It has nothing to do whatever with the drum. And you should know by now that I never argue musical instruments, I argue styles.
     
  7. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    20,253
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Her gift communicated some aspect of Christ's ministry, as did the gifts of the Wise Men. This was the beauty and commendable aspect of it. This was not something she just dreamed up in her own head. "Gee, what do I have to give? I know! I'll pour out this perfume!" So no, this is nothing like what is communicated in the Little Pagan Drummer Boy.

    We're taught that the acceptable sacrifice is a broken spirit and a contrite heart, Ps. 51:17. That's exemplified by this narrative. Where is it in the Little Pagan Drummer Boy?

    You seem to, like Baptist Believer, think that "in spirit and in truth" means "whatever you feel like is in spirit and in truth.
     
    #27 Aaron, Dec 12, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 12, 2006
  8. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    He's a little boy. How about giving him a break? Good grief.
     
  9. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    20,253
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Faith:
    Baptist
    :thumbs: Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! :thumbs:

    Two thumbs way, WAY up!
     
  10. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    Subliminal seduction strikes again.:laugh:
     
  11. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    ???? Does the Little Drummer Boy have the same theme as:

    Give of your best to the Master;
    Give of the strength of your youth;
    Throw your soul’s fresh, glowing ardor
    Into the battle for truth.
    Jesus has set the example,
    Dauntless was He, young and brave;
    Give Him your loyal devotion;
    Give Him the best that you have.
    Refrain:
    Give of your best to the Master;
    Give of the strength of your youth;
    Clad in salvation’s full armor,
    Join in the battle for truth.
    Give of your best to the Master;
    Give Him first place in your heart;
    Give Him first place in your service;
    Consecrate every part.
    Give, and to you will be given;
    God His beloved Son gave;
    Gratefully seeking to serve Him,
    Give Him the best that you have.
    Give of your best to the Master;
    Naught else is worthy His love;
    He gave Himself for your ransom,
    Gave up His glory above.
    Laid down His life without murmur,
    You from sin’s ruin to save;
    Give Him your heart’s adoration;
    Give Him the best that you have.

    http://library.timelesstruths.org/music/Give_of_Your_Best_to_the_Master/
     
  12. Helen

    Helen <img src =/Helen2.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2001
    Messages:
    11,703
    Likes Received:
    2
    Thanks, LadyEagle. It seems we have one of three choices where giving to the Lord is concerned:

    1. Give nothing -- for nothing we have is good enough
    2. Give what is convenient to give -- used stuff is fine when we get new
    3. Give of the best that we have or can give.

    I chose number 3. I think that is what the song of the Drummer Boy is about.

    Aaron, which choice is yours?
     
  13. tinytim

    tinytim <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    I honestly didn't know that... I thought you argued instruments as well.
    My mistake.

    :tonofbricks:
     
  14. LeBuick

    LeBuick New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    11,537
    Likes Received:
    1
    Was it just the beat he didn't like? Maybe the boy knows another beat?
     
  15. faithgirl46

    faithgirl46 Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    2
    Yes, the Little Drummer Boy is a lovely song.:thumbs:
    Faithgirl
     
  16. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    20,253
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Faith:
    Baptist
    My choice is nothing.

    Nothing in my hand I bring,
    Simply to the cross I cling;
    Naked, come to thee for dress;
    Helpless, look to thee for grace;
    Foul, I to the fountain fly;
    Wash me, Savior, or I die.
     
  17. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    20,253
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Faith:
    Baptist
    'T'is the Season!
     
  18. rbell

    rbell Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    11,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    New verse:

    Aaron's looking for a fight, pa-rum-pum-pum-pum...
    Tim takes him on each night, pa-rum-pum-pum-pum...
    They each have good comebacks, pa-rum-pum-pum-pum...
    Others write personal attacks,
    pa-rum-pum-pum-pum...
    rum-pum-pum-pum...
    rum-pum-pum-pum...
    ...Then mods shut this thread down, pa-rum-pum-pum-pum...
    Thanks to my drum.
     
  19. Alcott

    Alcott Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2002
    Messages:
    9,405
    Likes Received:
    353
    Faith:
    Baptist
    But they won't do it-- I'll make you a bet.
    This may be the board's worst Christmas time yet.
    This thread should not have resurfaced again.
    But thanks to Aaron we can keep jumpin' in, scratching our chin, with a big grin...
    Because that drummer boy was so full of sin... we play him again!
     
Loading...