The Long Ending of Mark and The Woman Caught in Adultery According To The Byzantine Text

[Van]

In conclusion, the introduction of non-Markian doctrines, in Mark 16::16-18 suggest these have been drawn from the other NT books.

If you consider the verses that seem to suggest water baptism, rather than spiritual baptism into Christ, is needed for salvation, Mark 16:16 heads the list. But no other verse from Mark is cited. Certainly not Mark 1:8!

And casting out demons as a mark of a saved person certainly does not mesh with Matthew 7:22.

 

[Van]

Mark 16:9 NASB
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

This verse demonstrates the problem of introducing possible conflicts with other gospels.

According to John, Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene after returning to the tomb with Peter and John. (John 20:13-14) But before the women arrived to inform the disciples, Jesus had appeared to some women. Matthew 28:8-9.

Of course the solution is to interpret "first appeared to Mary Magdalene" as indicating this was the first time Mary Magdalene actually saw Him, rather than His first appearance to humans. But again, the claim seems a little off target, being disjointed from the narrative of the women, not having seen Jesus, are returning to the disciples.

 

[37818]

Mark 16:9 NASB
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

This verse demonstrates the problem of introducing possible conflicts with other gospels.

Your understanding.
Not mine.

 

[Van]

Your understanding.
Not mine.

I must have missed where you addressed your understanding of the conflicting first appearance of Jesus.

 

[37818]

I must have missed where you addressed your understanding of the conflicting first appearance of Jesus.

Wasn't discussed. It.is a gospel harmony issue.
Matthew, Mark and Luke details, omit Mary M had ran off. John recorded it.

 

[37818]

I must have missed where you addressed your understanding of the conflicting first appearance of Jesus.

Matthew, Mark and Luke gospel harmony omit the detail how Mary M had ran off. Which John reported.

 

[37818]

Matthew 28:5, And the angel answered and said unto the women, . . .
Mary M had already ran off.

Mark 16:4, And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: . . .
So Mary M ran off.

Luke 24:2, And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. . . .
So Mary M ran off.

John 20:2, Then she runneth, . . .

 

[Van]

Wasn't discussed. It.is a gospel harmony issue.
Matthew, Mark and Luke details, omit Mary M had ran off. John recorded it.

She was not the first to see Jesus. The long ending got it wrong.

 

[Van]

Matthew 28:5, And the angel answered and said unto the women, . . .
Mary M had already ran off.

Mark 16:4, And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: . . .
So Mary M ran off.

Luke 24:2, And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. . . .
So Mary M ran off.

John 20:2, Then she runneth, . . .

Ditto, Mark 16:9 says she was the first, when the women returning were the first to see the risen Christ. Thus the long ending creates conflict, suggesting an uninspired addition.

 

[Van]

Introduction of New Doctrine:
The longer ending introduces teachings on baptism, sign-giving, and other practices not explicitly mentioned in Mark's Gospel. One of these is the claim Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ. Yes, this is a gospel harmony issue, which points to an uninspired addition.

 

[37818]

She was not the first to see Jesus.

Yes she was.
John 20:15-17, . . . Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And this happened before Matthew 28:9, And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

 

[37818]

Two of the better gospel harmonies.

A Harmony of the Gospels by A.T.Robertson.

And the Life Application Study Bible's Gospel Harmony.

 

[Van]

Yes she was.
John 20:15-17, . . . Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And this happened before Matthew 28:9, And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

To repeat, and for the last time, John 20:15-17 is after Mary returned to the tome wiith Peter and John (see verse John 20:3-8) but Jesus appeared to the women before they reached the disciples. It is a lock. The first appearance of the risen Christ was to the women, but not Mary Magdalene, when "they" were returning to the disciples from the tomb and before they notified the disciples.

 

[37818]

To repeat, and for the last time, John 20:15-17 is after Mary returned to the tome wiith Peter and John (see verse John 20:3-8) but Jesus appeared to the women before they reached the disciples. It is a lock. The first appearance of the risen Christ was to the women, but not Mary Magdalene, when "they" were returning to the disciples from the tomb and before they notified the disciples.

It is Biblical fact, Jesus appears to Mary M first.

 

[Van]

It is Biblical fact, Jesus appears to Mary M first.

I proved by citing scripture Jesus appeared first to the women, but not Mary Magdalene returning from the tomb, and going to the disciples including Peter and John. To claim otherwise, with out explaining how Peter and John got to the tomb before they were notified by the women is simply stonewalling.

 

[37818]

I proved by citing scripture Jesus appeared first to the women, but not Mary Magdalene returning from the tomb, and going to the disciples including Peter and John. To claim otherwise, with out explaining how Peter and John got to the tomb before they were notified by the women is simply stonewalling.

You disagree with the two Biblical harmonies referenced in Post#233.

Can you reference a standard harmony that supports your unBibilical view?

 

[Van]

You disagree with the two Biblical harmonies referenced in Post#233.

Can reference a standard harmony that supports your view?

No, a standard harmony does not overrule scripture. We are Baptists and scripture is the final authority.

I briefly reviewed "Harmony of the Gospels" by A. T. Robertson, the parts concerning the time of the resurrection (was it daytime or was it still dark) and the length of stay in the tomb. I found nothing addressing to whom did the risen Christ first appear. Perhaps you could point to the section or page number that conflicts with what I said from scripture?

 

[37818]

I briefly reviewed "Harmony of the Gospels" by A. T. Robertson, the parts concerning the time of the resurrection (was it daytime or was it still dark) and the length of stay in the tomb. I found nothing addressing to whom did the risen Christ first appear. Perhaps you could point to the section or page number that conflicts with what I said from scripture?

Pages 242-243. Section 173 and Section 174.

 

[37818]

Is Holy Scripture, Mark 16:9, . . . appeared first to Mary Magdalene, . . .

 

[Van]

Pages 242-243. Section 173 and Section 174.

From page 242

Five appearances are given as occurring on the day of his resurrection,
and five subsequently during the forty days. The five appearances on
this day were (1) to Mary Magdalene (John and Mark); (2) to other
women (Matthew); (3) to the two going to Emmaus; (4) to Simon Peter
(Luke 24:34); (5) to ten apostles and others.​

This is not evidence of the first appearance, simply an unsubstantiated claim. Again, for the third time Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene AFTER she returned with Peter and John. Jesus appeared to the women before they reached Peter and John.

Mark 16:1-8, Mary Magdalene and at least two other women arrive at the empty tomb, do not see Jesus and leave to tell the disciples and Peter.

Matthew 28:1-8, Mary Magdalene and at least one other women arrive at the empty tomb, do not see Jesus, and depart to report to His disciples.

Matthew 28:9-10, on the way to the disciples "Jesus met with them" (apparently not including Mary Magdalene), thus the women were the first to see the risen Christ before reaching the disciples.

John 20:1-2, Mary Magdalene arrives from the tomb and tells Peter and John, she does not know where Jesus is. Therefore, Mary Magdalene is not the first to see Jesus,

In order to construe Mary Magdalene was first, we have her with the women at the tomb, then she departs when "they left the tomb" but reaches the disciples alone, and then the disciples and Mary Magdalene run back to the tomb, and then she sees Jesus, all before Jesus appears to the women going to report to the disciples. Ludicrous. Therefore, the Mark 16:9 claim conflicts with the other gospels.

The lock, of course is Luke 24:9 where the women having returned from the tomb and having seen the risen Jesus, report to the eleven disciples (which include Peter and John) and the disciples did not believe them. Therefore this is before Peter and John ran to the tomb as described in John 20:3-4.

It all fits if you disregard Mark 16:9.