The LORD vs the Lord

1John 5:7 For there are three that bare record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Who is that "one" in the the three that bare record....God.

Music4Him

BTW, this probley has already been said. I didn't scroll the other 2 pages.

 

I never said differently. I said that Jesus' baptism is the only place where all three persons of the Trinity are experienced at the same time and place. I never said they were "seen". Also, you're presuming the use of the word "person" to mean someone in human form. That's an incorrect inference. When I say "three persons", I don't mean "three humans".

The Father, btw, has never been seen anywhere in the Bible. Interesting.

 

I never said differently. I said that Jesus' baptism is the only place where all three persons of the Trinity are experienced at the same time and place. I never said they were "seen". Also, you're presuming the use of the word "person" to mean someone in human form. That's an incorrect inference. When I say "three persons", I don't mean "three humans".

The Father, btw, has never been seen anywhere in the Bible. Interesting. </font>[/QUOTE]Johnv, that's what I don't understand about the trinity. You all say three persons...then say that all three are God; and at the same time say there is only one God, but that it takes three persons to make up one God. Now you say that it doesn't mean "three humans." What goes?

MEE

 

Within the nature of the one God, there are three eternal beings. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

There are three eternal beings.

2nd Cor. 13-14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Paul mentioned 3. Within the nature of the one God, there are 3 eternal beings.

Tam

 

His mercy,

Yes, you are a father, a son and a husband and all three of those have the same last name.

Therefore they are 3 in one even though you are only one person!!

Tam

 

1Tim.3
16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Tam, is this what you all are calling "beings?" I realize that God did come to earth, in the form of a man (flesh)...Jesus Christ...called "The Son (flesh) of God." He was preached unto the Gentiles; believed by some, and received up into glory.

If so, then I can only see one human flesh, and only "One God." He did it all! Example: God was a Spirit, He came to earth, through Mary, lived approx. 33 years, became the atonement for our sins, and was received back up into glory. One God did it all..not three persons. Possibly three manifestations of one God?

Anyway, that is the only way I can explain the Godhead.

MEE

 

Interpretations range from three roles of one being to three beings altogether. One fails to explain who christ prayed to, the other, though it is more accepted in "orthodoxy", for all purposes violates monotheism anyway you look at it. God is one being, and more than one "person", but "person" is a term men later chose to denote the three entities that make up the Godhead. This is what has caused the confusion, as people do think of "person" as the singular of "people" (humans), which would constitute three beings.
Once again, the subject is discussed at http://members.aol.com/etb700/triune.html. I would like to see what everyone thinks about this resolution of the issue.

 

And therein lies the mystery.

There are three, or there is one, or three in one.

We will know when we get to heaven.

God Bless,

Tam,

 

1Tim.3
16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Tam, is this what you all are calling "beings?" I realize that God did come to earth, in the form of a man (flesh)...Jesus Christ...called "The Son (flesh) of God." He was preached unto the Gentiles; believed by some, and received up into glory.

If so, then I can only see one human flesh, and only "One God." He did it all! Example: God was a Spirit, He came to earth, through Mary, lived approx. 33 years, became the atonement for our sins, and was received back up into glory. One God did it all..not three persons. Possibly three manifestations of one God?

Anyway, that is the only way I can explain the Godhead.

MEE </font>[/QUOTE]Yes Mee you are right... 3 manifestations, but there are three that make the one.
One more way to explaine the trinity

Like making a cake you...
1.Mix all the dry ingerdiants (the Father)Jehovah, Jehovah Shalome, Jehovah Jirah...ect.
2.add the eggs (the Son)Jesus the Messiah.
3.the water (Holy Spirit) Holy ghost and fire

Mix em up and viola~ A Cake (God) ~ God in three manifestations blessed trinity.

Here is a scripture where Peter is speaking.
Acts 10:38 -
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

He mentions all three when speaking of Jesus.

Music4Him

 

Before we get too far into conversation, can anyone tell me, what is the doctrinal requirment for Christain belief in the Trinity?

 

The three in one is to prove the trinity.

If you want to say there are more than three, then you are on your own.



Tam

 

I would concur.

 

HisMercy said:
music4Him,

You reference Acts 10:38 to show that 3 are mentioned. My question is, Isn't Jesus of Nazareth God? Who does God refer to? It refers to the same mentioned in 1Cor. 8:6 because there is only one God, the Father.

In reguards to your 1st question ~Yes, He is.
#2.Refers to Father,Son and Holy Spirit.

1Cor. 8:6
But to us there is but "one God, the Father", "of" whom are all things, and we "in" him; and "one Lord Jesus Christ", "by" whom are all things, and we "by" him.
It says we are in the Father, but by Jesus Christ

And as to a reply to your remark about only one God, the Father.....
1John 5:7-9 ~ For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

It says there that these three are one...it goes to follow that like you said "there is only one God, the Father" then this scripture is saying that the Word (the Son), and the Holy Ghost are one with the Father also (i.e these three are one).

Music4Him

 

The doctrine of the Trinity? Yes, I belive it does. Otherwise, I would not adhere to it.

Interesting guestion (though not directed at me). I worship God, who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, I cast my cares, concerns, prayers and joys on the Father, as Jesus instructed.

 

I believe since the Bible says, Behold Oh Israel The Lord Our God is One God I have to believe that there is one God.
I also see that Jesus said I only do what I see The Father Do. He cried out in the Garden Father Take this cup from me. He said on the Crosss Father into thy Hands do I commit My spirit.
He cried Father Forgive Them For they know what they do?
Jesus Said if I go not away The comforter can not come. HE speaks of The Father and He speaks of The Holy Spirit.
Paul said that in Him (Jesus) the fulness of the Godhead dwelt bodily.
I John calls Jesus the advocate that we have with the Father.
I am not sure is this proves the trinitarian or oneness doctrine. I love my Trinitarian friends and my Oneness Friends. If a person has been saved by the blood of Jesus they are my Brother or Sister in Christ. I look forward to the day when we all come into the unity of the faith. Jesus will come soon and this will happen. Until then we all have a lot to learn from each other.
God Bless you all
Atestring

 

Does this make Jesus subordinate to the Father?


MEE