The Messianic Kingdom?

[DHK]

In post #116 I made the following statement:


At that time I presented evidence from Scripture showing that all six of the conditions from Daniel 9:24 were fulfilled through the death of Jesus Christ. As yet no one has offered any response to that post. Given the absence of rebuttal I thought perhaps I should expand the discussion. I have done so in posts 239. 240, and 248 showing that the following three conditions were met through the Sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.


2. to make an end of sins.-Post #239
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity.-Post #240
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness.-Post #248

In the interest of brevity, and before this thread is prematurely closed, I am going to repeat for the present my earlier comments so that I can address Daniel 9:26, 27

1. As posted in #259, if scripture is not interpreted according to the grammatical-historical method of interpretation, a wrong conclusion will always be reached.
2. If Scripture is interpreted by spiritualizing it, a wrong conclusion will always be reached.
3. If the context is ignored a wrong conclusion will likely be reached.
--These are the problems that are basic to reaching a proper conclusion in the study of this passage and this subject.

First, to lay the foundation, the context must be understood:
Dan 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision... informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. ...therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

--It is the angel Gabriel that is speaking to Daniel. He is giving him understanding of things concerning a vision, a vision which speaks of things that will come to pass, a vision which concerns the people of Israel.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
--70 week (or 490 years) are determined upon thy people and thy holy city.
The subject is the nation of Israel, the Jews, the people of Daniel, and their city, Jerusalem. It is not the Gentiles that Gabriel has in mind. It is the nation of Israel, and the nation as a whole.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1. to finish the transgression

John 11:46-50, 53

Acts 2:22-24

The Jews "finished" their transgression when they Crucified Christ. That was their crowning offense. The Enormity of the crime of condemning Christ to death on the cross cannot be surpassed, and therefore it "finished" their Transgression.

Not so. The Jews as a nation continued to sin even after they crucified Christ. They had a chance to repent on the Day of Pentecost. 3,000 did, but about 97,000 didn't. Tongues were a sign to the Jews (1Cor.14:21,22). Their sins only increased and they continue to increase to this day. Their transgressions and their sins both--they are increasing. They have not finished. The nation of Israel is a sinful nation.
If this was not true, then why would Paul be praying for their salvation in Romans 9:1-5 and Rom.10:1-5? Either they were still in their sins, or Paul was a lunatic.

5. to seal up the vision and prophecy.

Matthew Henry, B. H. Carroll, E. J. Young, and H. C. Leupold are in general agreement that this refers to a fulfillment and completion of Old Testament prophecy. By the completion of His mission Jesus Christ confirmed the truth of Old Testament prophecy. Paul in his letter to the Hebrews tells us that in Jesus Christ we have the fullest revelation of God:

Hebrews 1:1-4, KJV
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

With the completion of the New Testament, the final revelation of Jesus Christ as shown to the Apostle John, vision and prophecy are brought to an end, that is, sealed.

"and to seal up the vision and prophecy"
--This does not have to do with the completion of the NT.
The context is the nation of Israel. Remember that.
When Jesus comes again for the salvation of the Jews, as they enter into "their promised land," the Millennial Kingdom, then every prophecy concerning the Jews will be "sealed up," or finished. There are other prophecies still unfulfilled--like the creation of a new heaven and a new earth, but those are not directly related to Israel. All the promises relating to the nation of Israel will be fulfilled around the time of the Coming of Christ.

6. anoint the most Holy.

O. T. Allis in Prophecy and the Church indicates this may mean the entrance of Jesus Christ into Heaven itself when by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [Hebrews 9:12] for all His elect. Henry, Leupold, and Young believe that this refers to the anointing of Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit. B. H. Carroll believes that “the most Holy” refers to the Church that Jesus Christ Himself established. The Church as used in this context refers to the Church universal, the entire body of ‘true believers’ or Saints. Carroll’s interpretation seems to be preferable, however, the Church can only be referred to as ‘most Holy’ only because She is sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ.

--That is their opinion.

Hebrews 10:10, 14, KJV
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

--Nice verses; so?

We read further about the Church:

2 Corinthians 11:2, KJV
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.

Ephesians 2:19-22, KJV
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

And so?
Remember: "to anoint the most Holy."
You have a disconnect.

1 Peter 2:9, KJV
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

--This is the believer's priesthood, not Christ's.

Hebrews 12:18-24, KJV
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [voice] they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, [that] Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

All of these verses speak of something still future; something still to come--a heavenly Jerusalem, an innumerable company of angels, those...which are written in heaven, to the spirits of just men made perfect.
This is a heavenly scene.
But the context is Israel.
And the phrase is: to anoint the most Holy.
The passage has nothing to do with it.

Christ will be anointed as "the most Holy One," when he sits physically on the throne of David in the Millennial Kingdom and be crowned as King of kings, and Lord as Lords. This, of course, will take place immediately after His Second Coming. Then every knee shall bow to him and every tongue confess to Him that He is Lord, to the glory of the Father. The most Holy (one) will indeed be anointed. This is still to come, obviously! It has not taken place yet!

This message to Daniel has only the nation of Israel in mind. It does not have the promises to the Gentiles in mind, and this is where you go astray.

There is no everlasting righteousness that has been brought in.
The god of this world, Satan, rules this world, not Christ.
Christ's rule will come when He comes and sets up His Kingdom.

 

[Iconoclast]

DHK;

There is no everlasting righteousness that has been brought in.

For Christians it is a reality now;
Jeremiah 23 King James Version (KJV)

23 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord.

2 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.

3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord.

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth[/B].

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

The god of this world, Satan, rules this world, not Christ.

sorry to hear you under under Satans rule......
I am under the rule of the King of Kings...The Lord Jesus Christ.

Christ's rule will come when He comes and sets up His Kingdom.

He already came and instituted it;

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


DHK says;

Hebrews 12:18-24, KJV
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [voice] they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, [that] Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

All of these verses speak of something still future; something still to come--a heavenly Jerusalem, an innumerable company of angels, those...which are written in heaven, to the spirits of just men made perfect.
This is a heavenly scene.
But the context is Israel.
And the phrase is: to anoint the most Holy.
The passage has nothing to do with it.

sure it does...it is now for Christians...you deny it, you deny the NC.

 

[DHK]

DHK;

For Christians it is a reality now;

Apparently you have no idea what it is like to live the Christian life in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc.
Coddled up in good ole' USA and "your righteousness" perhaps you blind your eyes to the evil of ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and all the other evils of this world.
The Lord has NOT brought in everlasting righteousness to this world.
Be not deceived. You may have a personal righteousness, a standing before God personally, that has been imputed to you.
But the verse uses the verb "to bring in." Not the same thing.

Jeremiah 23 King James Version (KJV)

23 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord.

2 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.

3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord.

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth[/B].

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

And that hasn't happened yet, has it?
The King has not executed judgement and justice in this earth.
The god of this world still reigns as he pushes ISIS along.
The King does not execute judgment on their evil.

sorry to hear you under under Satans rule......
I am under the rule of the King of Kings...The Lord Jesus Christ.

By the power of Christ we have spiritual power to overcome individual spiritual victories. But you don't have God's power to go and fight ISIS.
You don't rule with Christ as King of kings, for at the moment he doesn't rule as King of kings. He may be the King of kings, but he isn't exercising that authority yet. Not until he comes again and sets up his kingdom will he exercise that authority.
This world is in a mess. It is under the rule of Satan, that wicked one. He is the prince of the power of the air. The whole world lies in wickedness.

He already came and instituted it;

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

When he institutes his kingdom it will be visible to all to see it.
Apparently you live in a fantasy kingdom--no one can see it. That is what happens when you allegorize scripture.

The scripture you quote is a reference to the Lord's Table, not the Kingdom.
It is a red herring, like much of the scripture you give.

DHK says;
(Hebrews 12:18-24, KJV)

sure it does...it is now for Christians...you deny it, you deny the NC.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

But ye are come:
1. unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
2. to an innumerable company of angels,
3. church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven,
4. to God the Judge of all
5. to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Let's see if this makes sense for you Icon. You said you have already come here, and I am the one denying the NT.

1. Have you been to the city of the living God (in heaven) --the Heavenly Jerusalem. John had a vision of such written in the Book of Revelation. But you claim to have been to heaven and back. What else did you see? Are you going to write a book about it also?

2. "to an innumerable company of angels" Just how many angels were there?
And you could see them? What did they look like? Did they have wings? Please describe your experience here in heaven.

3. The 'church' of the firstborn which are written in heaven. The "assembly" as the word should be translated. It is the only time that all believers will be assembled in heaven, and you claim to have already been there! Amazing!

4. To God the Judge of all. The amazing thing about this is that the Bible distinctly says that "No man can see God and live." But you are special aren't you. You beaten the odds. You have looked at God the Father and lived. How did you do it? Not even Moses could pull that one off.

5. to the spirits of just men made perfect.
Icon how long have you been seeing spirits? Do I need to say anything further?