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The Millennium: What's the Point?

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JonShaff

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Aaron said:
You keep saying the law is not reestablished, but where does one go to find out about the feast of tabernacles and how to observe it? The law. And, in your view, what happens to those who don't observe it? They're stricken with plagues and drought.

Now tell me again how you're not reestablishing the law.
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It's clearly for a memorial Outside of the Law, as gentiles did not have a covenant of Works with God Almighty.

and don't you think that The Feast of Tabernacles had meaning prior to the law, Just like Pass over has meaning prior to the Law? We still celebrate the Realities of Passover when we Partake of the Lord's Supper, do we not? Are you reestablishing the Law?
 
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So I've listened to about 1/2 of the sermon now. Here are my thoughts thus far.

1. The bible was written so that anyone can read and understand it. This guy is very liberal with interpreting scripture way beyond anything that makes any sense to someone reading it like real literature. My thought on this kind of interpretation is that if you have to explain what the bible means to this level, you are likely wrong.

2. Satin is bound now, but only mostly bound. He's bound so he doesn't influence the nations, but not completely bound. What exactly does bound mean? Satan is "mostly bound" and thrown into an abyss (bottomless pit) the door is closed and and sealed yet he still has some influence? He's bound so that there is NO deceit, but then he still can deceive. Seriously? If he is bound, even loosely, thrown into an abyss with a closed and sealed door and has no influence, how do you explain the hundreds of false religions in the world today? This makes no sense at all. Oh yes, he's only mostly bound. This reminds me of the Princess Bride when Wesley was only mostly dead. Where's Miracle Max when you need him?

When exactly was Armageddon?

How does a 1000 year reign last 2000 years?

I could at least understand this theory if you believed the AD 1-1000 were the Millennium and this was the 1000 years Satan was set free, considering the state of the world today, but there simply isn't a shred of truth that I can decipher from this guys pretentious babble.

I'll try to muck through the rest of this babble later.
 
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Well, I went all the way to 45 minutes in this guys babbling.

My conclusion is that he's completely full of himself and is a heretic.

I have no use for this thread. It is simply spreading unbiblical confusion.
 
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JonShaff said:
I don't quite see the millennial reign as a reestablishing of the Law? The Law has been fulfilled. But the realities and principles of the Law of CHRIST will be a world wide Theocracy. The sermon on the Mount will be in full force. Don't get me wrong, every aspect of the sermon on the mount is for Christendom now, but are these teachings permeating of the world right now? Come on, it's evidently not. This may be a stretch, but Leaders will be Christians who were faithful during their earthly ministries. Governors, presidents, etc. will be established by Christ and they will be His chosen staff of leaders.

These are the ideas i see through reading the prophets, Gospels, and Revelation. :)

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And i agree with TC, anything done resembling ceremonial aspects of the Law will be done as a memorial. I mean, come on, i sacrifice to God daily with burnt offerings giving thanks unto the Lord. Don't you? I call it dinner.
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We as Christians celebrate the Lord and His sacrifice thru/via te ordiances, so wll the nationsoftheeath durin the Millinium be partaking of tose as memorial unto Him? NOT the Mosaic w being set up all over aain!
 
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TCassidy said:
The lynch pin of present day Christianity is the ordinances of baptism and the Lord's supper. If you want to practice them, that's fine. Really, as long as you understand that the sacrifice on the cross has already been fulfilled. None of the ceremonies are still in operation. None. It's over. No baptism, no Lord's supper. Nothing.

Oh! Wait! Ever hear of a memorial? Something that points back to that which is desirable to be remembered?
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Just as we remembr Jesus thru those ordiances, all of the nations/peoplewill come up to Jerusalem to observe/remmber Him also!
 
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Johnf said:
Well, I went all the way to 45 minutes in this guys babbling.

My conclusion is that he's completely full of himself and is a heretic.

I have no use for this thread. It is simply spreading unbiblical confusion.
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Jut stick tot he Bible, and that Jesus will return to Earth one day to rule/reign!
 
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As i listen to this sermon, Aaron, something came to mind when i heard the preacher say something to the effect of, "It's really that simple..." and "Premillennials make a mess of it..."

and that is...

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H. L. Mencken
 
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i like how he adds a bunch of subjective statements with no Biblical backing, particularly what it means for satan to be bound, even though Peter says he's prowling around seeking whom he may devour. Also, when he is loosed for a season and he gives no biblical backing.

This sounded like a Shakespeare play.
 
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"My dead dad knows what's going on down here...and he's dialoging with Christ about it,"

What?!

That's the saint's reign? Come on man...you could have given a better sermon to explain your position.

Sounds like this guy is peddling the idea i can pray to dead saints, because they are petitioning to Christ for me under the Altar.

This is hogwash.
 
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Johnf said:
Well, I went all the way to 45 minutes in this guys babbling.

My conclusion is that he's completely full of himself and is a heretic.

I have no use for this thread. It is simply spreading unbiblical confusion.
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Lol. You just have different presuppositions is all. For instance:

Johnf said:
1. The bible was written so that anyone can read and understand it.
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Where is that written? And if so, what is meant by "let him that hath ears to hear." Is it easy to be understood by those who've known only Western literary devices or Eastern?

No doubt that some sincere milk is easily understood, but Paul couldn't say certain things to the Hebrews even about their own history. Peter testified that some of the writings of Paul were hard to understand.

The Bible is first and foremost written to the believer, and the word is quickened in their hearts by the Spirit.
 
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JonShaff said:
"My dead dad knows what's going on down here...and he's dialoging with Christ about it,"

What?!

That's the saint's reign? Come on man...you could have given a better sermon to explain your position.

Sounds like this guy is peddling the idea i can pray to dead saints, because they are petitioning to Christ for me under the Altar.

This is hogwash.
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Lol, I'm sure it's no worse than some of the notions you entertain about your own dead loved ones. :Tongue
 
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JonShaff said:
It's clearly for a memorial Outside of the Law, as gentiles did not have a covenant of Works with God Almighty.

and don't you think that The Feast of Tabernacles had meaning prior to the law, Just like Pass over has meaning prior to the Law? We still celebrate the Realities of Passover when we Partake of the Lord's Supper, do we not? Are you reestablishing the Law?
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This is eisegesis pure and simple.

And it's a memorial of the wandering in the wilderness. Holy freaking cow.

It's like saying, come to Bethlehem to celebrate Christmas, and if you don't, I'll smite you with diseases!

ROFLOL!
 
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Aaron said:
This is eisegesis pure and simple.

And it's a memorial of the wandering in the wilderness. Holy freaking cow.

It's like saying, come to Bethlehem to celebrate Christmas, and if you don't, I'll smite you with diseases!

ROFLOL!
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LOL...don't try to distract from that sermon you sent me...come on bro! That was bad!
 
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