The Millennium

PB said, "Third, Satan is bound from deceiving the nations. At the end of the thousand years, Satan will deceive the nations. What will the nations do when they are deceived? They will revolt against the church and seek to detroy her. That is exactly what Satan is being restricted from doing today; launching a revolt against the cause of Christ here in this world so as to destroy it. Could Satan deceive the nations and destroy the church of God now if he wanted to? No. Therefore, Satan is bound"
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Umm sir? Have you had your head in the sand? I am sorry. Satan is definitely attacking the Church. Go to Voice of The Martyrs' web site and see for yourself.

In light of the truth that SATAN indeed is seeking to destroy the church through the agency of deceived nations TODAY!: your eisegesis falls apart.
My goodness man, open your eyes!

Besides, what Scriptural prooof do you have that Satan was bound during the ministry of Christ. Oh...I get it. It was only a figment of Christ's imagination when He faced Satan in the Wilderness Temptaion. It was only pretend demons Jesus consistently cast out of people. He only set pretend captives free. (Sarcasm)

Come on man! Open your eyes!

You finished with, "Whether you agree with it or not, does this answer your question? Now, 2 Peter 3."

No, it does not answer the question because you refuse to deal with the obvious. We'll get to 2 Peter 3, when you can sanely deal with the obvious.


In HIS service;
Jim

 

Let's get some context on Matt 12 shall we?

Mt 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mt 12:29
Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

And;
Mt 12:43
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mt 12:44
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mt 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

So we see that Jesus is not talking about binding Satan here like the angel will in Rev. 20.

The binding of Satan in Matt 12 has to do with casting a demon out of one man, not binding Satan as to keep him AWAY from all nations. Should you have used exegesis instead of your eisegesis, you could see that.

And IF Satan was bound during His personal ministry, then you are at a loss for this;
Lu 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Bound in a great chain, i.e. Rev 20 should prevent this don't you think? Or is that chain ineffectual?

Again, your "parallel" passage in Luke destroys your eisegesis;
Lu 11:24
"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out."
whereas it supports my exegesis. The house spoken of in binding the strong man is the "house" of one man's body.
"Or do you not know that your body is the temple (or house) of the Holy Ghost."

Making a comment like; "That's the funniest thing I've ever heard." does not help your position in the least.

I would suggest you just answer the question.

"Tell me please how it is that Satan is NOT deceiving the nations right now. If you cannot, then I submit your whole house has crumbled."

You have yet to do this.

I noticed also that you totally ignore my suggestion that you visit Voice of the Martyrs. That strange silence on your part speaks volumes.
Do I hear the sound of a mighty crash as your "house of cards" comes tumbling down?

In HIS service;
Jim

 

BTW;
PB, you have much to say about putting our stock in Jesus' own words. Some have said (correctly) that ALL of Scripture is His wrods, but you seem bent on the "words in red". So...here ya go;
Re 1:11
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

ummm ...aren't THESE also His words?

In HIS service;
Jim

 

Are these?

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

If you wish to intepret Revelation from a literalistic view point then shouldn't you start with the most basic,plain, contextual part?

1000 years is literal but "at hand" and "shortly" are not?

 

av1611Jim: "Umm sir? Have you had your head in the sand? I am sorry. Satan is definitely attacking the Church. Go to Voice of The Martyrs' web site and see for yourself."

Amen, Brother Av1611jim -- Preach it!

Here is a pointer to Voice of the Martyrs'.
Log-in is required,
registration is free.

click here: Voice of the Martyrs'


Primitive Baptist: "Did you not read those Scriptural
references that I gave from the mouth of the Son of God
Himself that Satan was bound during His personal ministry?"

I read those. You have gotten untrue information about
reality by ADDING to a parable. You need to find out
what Revelation 20:18 is about.

 

Your points are well made but they will be ignored by dispensationalists, perhaps because they make a practice of ignoring Scripture.

 

Primative Baptist: //We know that Satan was bound during
the personal ministry of Christ. In Matthew 12, the Pharisees
accused to Jesus of casting out devils by Beelzebub. Jesus
replied, "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God,
then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how
can one enter into a strong man's house and spoil his
goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then
he will spoil his house." //

Interesting, if you have to prove something you would like
to prove, just take it literal instead of figurative.

Satan is alive and well on earth and has been
going forth as a roaring lion. Devils still torment people
on earth. The devils that bother people will never
be gotten rid of until Satan is bound. And Satan
will be bound in the future, when Jesus comes again
to earth to bind Satan.

 

Grasshopper said
"Are these?

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

If you wish to intepret Revelation from a literalistic view point then shouldn't you start with the most basic,plain, contextual part?

1000 years is literal but "at hand" and "shortly" are not? "
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Yet you stopped too soon!

Re 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Re 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
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Did anybody besides me notice the THREE TENSES of our Lord's revelation of the end time to John? Thou hast seen...which are...shall be. Three tenses of what He has revealed to John. "At hand", and "shortly" and "hereafter" all fit together quite nicely when you use exegesis, rather than eisegesis!
To say that Satan is NOW bound and NOT terrorizing the Church and deceiving the nations is to impugn the very Son of God. I would not want to be that person at The JSOC. No, No, No, No.

In HIS service;
Jim

 

av1611jim: //Did anybody besides me notice the THREE TENSES
of our Lord's revelation of the end time to John?
Thou hast seen...which are...shall be. Three tenses
of what He has revealed to John. "At hand", and
"shortly" and "hereafter" all fit together quite
nicely when you use exegesis, rather than eisegesis!//

Amen, Brother Av1611Jim -- Preach it!

Yes, i seen the light just like
you done seen it!

 

Oldreg, funny to see you here after you tucked tail and ran from the other thread.

PB, your points are not well made. They are the product of a hopeless attempt at explaining away the obvious meaning of the text.

Tell you what, you tell me who 'the rest of the dead' who came alive again are in Revelation 20:5.

Then, this premill will have a field day beating your view into oblivion.

 

There's a huge difference in "RESTRAINT" and "BOUND"!

Satan is RESTRAINED now, and always has been since creation. Witness the permission he had to get from God before doing anything to Job.

When satan is BOUND, he will have no influence or action on this earth to decieve people. At the end of the millenium, he will be loosed, at which time he will again work his devilment just as he does today.

 

What "just-want-peace" said. ^^^
Amen Brother, Preach it!

In HIS service;
Jim

 

I second Av1611jim's "AMEN!" of what Just-want-peace said above.

At the current rate of progess of voting
i suspect PASSION OF THE CHIRST
and FERENHEIT 9/11 will win the People's
Choice awards

 

I am not sure what thread you are talking about. I did not tuck tail, frankly I just decided that trying to discuss Scripture with a dispensationalist is as useful as shoveling manure against a tidal wave, but I will give it one more try.

In Revelation 20 those who are currently reigning with Jesus Christ are those who died in Him, the elect for your edification; the rest of the dead are those who died in Adam, the lost.

 

If he is, he is doing a miserable job. Democracies are spreading throughout the world and so is the Gospel. Think of the progress the Gospel has made in just 2000 years. It cannot only be heard from the pulpit but can be read in every language heard in most parts of the world over radio and television. It is just the opposite effect dispies hold to which is a failure of the Church and God has to bail us out because spirit filled believers are no match for the devil. Dispies teach the Church eventually fails.

Lets not give the devil too much credit:

James 1: 13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire , he is dragged away and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is fullgrown, gives birth to death.

Heb.2:13 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death–that is, the devil–

No, it impugns pre-mill.

Are the things which John hast seen "at hand"? No, they were past.

Are the things "which are" at hand? No they were currently happening.

So that leaves the things which "shall be" to be at hand.

Makes perfect sense. In case anyone didn't get it the first time John writes it again at the end of the vision.

Rev 22:10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

The sayings of Revelation were at hand. Does the angel limit it to just some of the events? No.
If one is a literalist how else could one honestly read it? Daniel was told to seal his book because it was in the distant future yet John is told not to seal up his. Why?
Dispies have the terms "seal up" and "do not seal up" meaning the exact same thing. Centuries of time.

 

Grasshopper: "Dispies teach the Church eventually fails."

Interesting interpertation of the Church going
to get their rewards before the Tribulation
period starts (Tribulation period AKA Daniel's
70th week). Come on, I've been a born-again
Dispie for 53 years and Dispies have not
taught the church eventually fails.

 

Heh Ed,

Dispys talk about the Peterine church and the Pauline church. Can you explain the difference?

 

NO. Maybe i'm not a dispie.
I just read my Bible and call it like
the Holy Spirit calls it. Others can
put their own labels on it.

I do know where I am in Jesus,
and Where Christ is in His plan for
the Ages. And i didn't get that from
any dispie nor any preterist.

 

I can't question whether or not you are in Jesus Christ. From your posts I can question your knowledge of Jesus Christ's plan for the ages.