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The Monergist View of the Human Will
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canadyjd
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Well, yes it is sinful to reject the gospel preached, but all people stand condemn already for rejecting the general revelation given by God.
Whether it's an atheist or M*slim or any other person trapped by sin doesn't matter your present condition. The only thing that matters is whether God has chosen that person for salvation.
If He has, when they hear the gospel (at some point)then they will be saved by the power of God. They will be regenerated. They will be convicted of sin. They will be convinced of the truth of the Gospel. They will respond in faith to Jesus..who he is and what He has done. They will be indwelt by God Holy Spirit. They will have a transformed life. They will be resurrected on the day of Christ's return. They will stand in the presence of God for all eternity.
All of that by the will of God, not of man
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canadyjd
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The proclamation of the Gospel is God's chosen method to bring His elect to salvation.
Okay, I think you guys understand the first part.
Let me clarify.
I am not saying that person is saved by the sole condition of hearing the gospel, Calvinist teaching is that God also must already have you in the book of life, elect, scheduled for regeneration and faith after hearing it.
Here is the tricky part:
However, The unregenerate, zero faith, person must willingly COOPERATE and HEAR the gospel for any possibility of receiving regeneration and faith. He does so vacant of regeneration.
All sins break the commandments of Love God and Love Neighbor one way or another. Making the GOOD WORK of hearing the gospel NECESSARY.
The act to cooperate and HEAR the gospel is still a condition by which regeneration is allowed to take place.
Let me clarify.
I am not saying that person is saved by the sole condition of hearing the gospel, Calvinist teaching is that God also must already have you in the book of life, elect, scheduled for regeneration and faith after hearing it.
Here is the tricky part:
However, The unregenerate, zero faith, person must willingly COOPERATE and HEAR the gospel for any possibility of receiving regeneration and faith. He does so vacant of regeneration.
All sins break the commandments of Love God and Love Neighbor one way or another. Making the GOOD WORK of hearing the gospel NECESSARY.
The act to cooperate and HEAR the gospel is still a condition by which regeneration is allowed to take place.
canadyjd
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To willingly cooperate and hear the Gospel does not necessarily result in salvation. People willingly hear the gospel for many reasons.
One of those reasons may be the drawing/calling of God Holy Spirit.
"To willingly cooperate and hear the Gospel does not necessarily result in salvation. "
That is exactly what I am saying in my first sentence.
"One of those reasons may be the drawing/calling of God Holy Spirit"
Cannot be. Remember, Regeneration occurs only AFTER hearing the gospel. As Calvinist like to quote: NONE SEEK AFTER GOD.
Therefore, The unregenerate, zero faith, person must willingly COOPERATE and HEAR the gospel for any possibility of receiving regeneration and faith. He does so vacant of regeneration.
We are to sharpen each other, not destroy each other!
Backwards, as we hold that God regens and grants us saving faith in order to be able to freely respond once hear the Gospel!
You are saying the exact same thing I said. AFTER hearing the Gospel.
There is ZERO regeneration and ZERO faith prior to hearing the Gospel.
Both happen and then the Gospel!
I don't get what your trying to say. Gimme the long version.
canadyjd
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I think you are misunderstanding the work of God Holy Spirit. God Holy Spirit works in a person life (draw or call or convict) prior to hearing the gospel, prior to regeneration, prior to giving faith.
In fact, I believe God Holy Spirit works in the lives of the non-elect as well. Only the elect, in God's timing, are given life through God Holy Spirit.
Point is, you don't have anyone from native tribes who never heard of Jesus Christ spontaneously becoming Calvinists. Nor are randomly throughout millions of Muslims, Atheists, etc. becoming Calvinist without hearing the gospel at all.
The unregenerate, zero faith, person must willingly COOPERATE and HEAR the gospel for any possibility of receiving regeneration and faith. He does so vacant of regeneration.
This GOOD WORK of hearing the Gospel is absolutely required to happen.
May the Holy Spirit open your eyes!
Not necessarily, Just because you know the song the record is going to play, doesn't mean you wrote the song.
God is supreme in that even what our idea of God and Divinity amounts to about a sneeze to him. God doesn't have to write the song for you.
Some folks here think you can't tie your own shoe unless God picks up his puppet strings and makes you do it.
And may the Lord regenerate your common sense.
You said BOTH HAPPENS, but you don't say what.
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You are saying the exact same thing I said. AFTER hearing the Gospel.
There is ZERO regeneration and ZERO faith prior to hearing the Gospel.
"Both happen and then the Gospel!"
Both what!? Your missing words on the paper.
What......the gospel you say? so how does that happen?
Cause He says to....it's called being obedient
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