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Yeshua1

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Clarity or Ambiguity (Jn. 1:13) April 3,2017

"Do you want clarity or meaning, or do you want to stay closer to the Greek and be less meaningful and more ambiguous?"

"The NIV moves a little further away from the ambiguity of the Greek and more toward meaning."

"My point is that if you want to be clear, you have to be more interpretive. If you want to be less interpretive, you will be less clear and more ambiguous. You simply can't have it both ways."
" Do we want to what the Lord intended when He wrote to us in the original text, or do we want to try to get what we think it means?"
 

Yeshua1

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Clarity or Ambiguity (Jn. 1:13) April 3,2017

"Do you want clarity or meaning, or do you want to stay closer to the Greek and be less meaningful and more ambiguous?"

"The NIV moves a little further away from the ambiguity of the Greek and more toward meaning."

"My point is that if you want to be clear, you have to be more interpretive. If you want to be less interpretive, you will be less clear and more ambiguous. You simply can't have it both ways."
The Holy spirit seems to not have had that problem when He inspired the scriptures, or did He? he inspired word for word approach!
 

Rippon

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" Do we want to what the Lord intended when He wrote to us in the original text, or do we want to try to get what we think it means?"
Who are you quoting? What's up with the quotation marks? Don't use quotation marks unless you provide identification of the author.
 

Rippon

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The Holy spirit seems to not have had that problem when He inspired the scriptures, or did He? he inspired word for word approach!
When Jesus quoted from the Old Testament many times he went against your reasoning. I will chose the real Jesus instead of Y1.
 

Rippon

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Do all things really work for good? (Romans 8:28) Oct. 27,2016

I think the NIV gets it the most right."In all things God works for the good of those who love him."
It gets the word order right.
 

Rippon

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What is a 'Accurate' Translation? 6/12/2016

1. Please stop using the word 'literal' with reference to form. It simply is not what the English word means.
2. Can we become a little more nuanced in our discussion, recognizing that accuracy has to do with meaning.
 

Rippon

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Two Unusual Translations (Romans 5:6) April 30,2016

This explains the NIV's unusual "You see." The phrase does a great job of setting you up to see the entire paragraph as related to the proceding. "You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly."

This verse also exposes the myth of word-for-word translation.
 

Rippon

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Lots Of Noise In Heaven (Luke 15:32)

I love the NIV's translation, "we had to celebrate and be glad." The father was under compulsion to respond with joy. He had to; it was the only way he could respond.
 

Yeshua1

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Two Unusual Translations (Romans 5:6) April 30,2016

This explains the NIV's unusual "You see." The phrase does a great job of setting you up to see the entire paragraph as related to the proceding. "You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly."

This verse also exposes the myth of word-for-word translation.
You mean the Myth that the translators of Nasb/Nkjv and others have employed for decades?
 

Yeshua1

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When Jesus quoted from the Old Testament many times he went against your reasoning. I will chose the real Jesus instead of Y1.
So the Holy spirit inspiration was now down to even each individual word used? As in the example of paul, who choose to see seed regarding Abraham , and not to seeds?
 

Rippon

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So the Holy spirit inspiration was now down to even each individual word used? As in the example of paul, who choose to see seed regarding Abraham , and not to seeds?
Your posts make no sense. Think before you post. You respond to posts of mine with no reference to my content.
 

Yeshua1

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Your posts make no sense. Think before you post. You respond to posts of mine with no reference to my content.
My point was since the Spirit Himself had inspiration extend towards every word recorded down, why would we not seek to translate it word by word as much as is possible?
 

Rippon

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My point was since the Spirit Himself had inspiration extend towards every word recorded down, why would we not seek to translate it word by word as much as is possible?
You didn't respond when I said Jesus did not quote from the O.T. word-for-word. Neither did Paul. Your position is senseless. You're trying to hang onto thin air.

Show me some word-for-word passages in any English translations. And I said translations --interlinears don't count as translations.
 

Yeshua1

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You didn't respond when I said Jesus did not quote from the O.T. word-for-word. Neither did Paul. Your position is senseless. You're trying to hang onto thin air.

Show me some word-for-word passages in any English translations. And I said translations --interlinears don't count as translations.
Not fully word for word, as that would be an Interlinear, nut as much word for word as can be done, and more so than a thought by thought translation would do!
 

Rippon

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You didn't respond when I said Jesus did not quote from the O.T. word-for-word. Neither did Paul. Your position is senseless. You're trying to hang onto thin air.

Show me some word-for-word passages in any English translations. And I said translations --interlinears don't count as translations.
Y-1 --respond to the above. Don't do your typical avoidance act.
 

Rippon

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Did Jesus Hang On A Pole (Gal.3:3) Oct. 12,2014

...all translations use "tree" except for the NIV. But executed criminals were generally impaled on a pole, which explains the NIV translation. By saying "hung on a tree" it creates an image that most assuredly is incorrect.
 
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