The mystery of the Jews relationship with God

[Revmitchell]

So, the gentiles are grafted into the same root as the Jews. They become part of the same vine. They are not a "separate" vine, but part of the same vine (i.e. the children of promise).

That's right grafted in with the believing Jews. We also have the broken off Jews or the unbelieving Jews.

And I notice you didn't address the passage from Eph. which clearly states that the Jews and the gentiles have become one new man in Christ because of His work on the cross, and that they will now be presented to God as one body.

Again that is correct the believing Jews and the believing Gentiles are one. Not the unbelieving Jews. In the past you had to become a Jew because salvation was of the Jews. Now we have access to God without the Jews.

I don't see any mention of a separate future for the Jews in that passage.

peace to youraying:

And it is not necessary to be in this particular passage.

 

[Revmitchell]

Paul placed the Jews in the same category as the gentiles.

yes he did but that does nothing to prove your point or disprove mine.

Eph. 2:14 "For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one, and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall. (15) by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, establishing peace, (16) and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross,...."

Scripture tells us that both Jew and Gentile are now "one new man" before God. Not only that, it is Jesus Christ's work on the cross that has reconciled both groups to God as one body.

That's right

Concerning the passage in Romans, it is clear that Paul is establishing the fact that the people who will be saved are those who are "children of the promise" that comprise both Jews and Gentiles.

I read this several times. I cannot find this anywhere

When Paul says "all Israel will be saved", he is saying that the Jews were hardened so the gospel would go to the Gentiles (bringing the "children of the promise" that were among the gentiles to salvation), and thus "all Israel will be saved".

Again it doesn't say that anywhere

The context is clear, those that are children of the promise, made up of both Jews and Gentiles, are considered the "Israel" of God. That is why, once the gentiles are saved, "all Israel will be saved".

peace to youraying:

It is clear and that isn't it.

 

[canadyjd]

No one said it was any such thing. And it is not necessary to see it as such based on two economies. The "economy" is not about the law. Get passed it. At this point you have done nothing to address Romans 8:25-29. And the Ephesian passage has zero effect on the two economies. The economies are not about the law but about how God reveals himself to the lost world.

It appears we are talking past each other. I see no reason to continue.

Thanks for the input.

peace to youraying: