The Nation of Israel

Uh? First you asked about divine rights and now it is inherent rights--what do you mean?

God is going to give the Jews the land--there is no doubt about that.

Neither the US government nor the Christian has to support Israel, right or wrong. However, I am not going down the road to another holocaust. It is the Arabs in Israel who are fish out of water. The Turks overran Israel for what--400 years? All they could do was turn it into a wasteland. Look at the Arab countries--they are already wastelands. Allah cannot make Gaza bloom for the Arabs anymore than Satan could make Gaza bloom for the Philistines, people from the Greek isles. Satan is not as smart as God, is he?

 

I am not sure 100% on any of your ?'s.My personal thoughts on 4 are no.Could someone define state.CMG has a good point.

 

Roger,

If your question is "Does Israel have a right to exist in the land that they now inhabit?" the answer is absolutely yes. They do have the right.

If your question is "Does Israel's right to the land they now inhabit stem from biblical or divine promise?" the answer is no.

Israel rejected God and the consequence was the termporary loss of inhabitance in the land. They did not forever lose that right as the OT and Galatians make clear. But their "divine right" will be restored when they repent and accept the Messiah, Jesus. Right now, they have the same rights as any other country on this earth ... to live in peace from attacks and terrorism in their land.

 

That is how I understand it as well.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Some people would disagree that God has promised to give it to the Jews. These are most likely the same people who believe the book of Revelation is allegorical. And who believe the promises to the Jews (Israel) were already fulfilled in the OT. Granted, this is certainly not the prevalent view among most Baptists, but it is a view, nonetheless. I find it impossible to have a genuine discussion on any of these matters.

If you can't have a common ground as the basis for discussion, like whether the Bible prophecies are allegorical or literal, then there is no point in having a discussion.

 

I don't know. It seems like there seems to be lots of common ground among the posters here. Seems to me that we are having a good, productive discussion.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Are you referring to the 10 'lost' tribes of the Assyrian deportation, Roger? Or the Khazars?

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

I'm picking up on your 'the same people' question

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

Try this link for starters

(Or just Google the name...)

This speculates on the Khazar (a people of Turkish origin from Mongolia who ruled southern Russia from the 7th to 10th centuries AD) origins of many modern Israelis...I don't have an opinion one way or another but just find it interesting in the light of your "are they the same people" comment

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

Possibly not in at least some measure if the theory that the Khazars were the ancestors of the bulk of the Askenazim (Eastern European Jews), the surviving members of whom by and large emigrated to Israel after the Holocaust...

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

These are interesting thoughts.One thing is for certain God knows his children.It will be interesting to see how God brings his will to pass concerning these matters.