The Nation of Israel

FTR: Here are two links:

http://www.restoremagazine.org/volume_2/2128.htm

http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

 

http://www.biblicist.org/bible/replace.htm

 

No, but God has already fulfilled it in the Old Testament when God gave Israel all of the land that it was promised, which they then lost because of disobedience, and then in the New Testament with the coming of Christ Jesus.

There's no point in waiting on something to be fulfilled, LE, that God has already fulfilled.

Also, those verses you quoted applied to Abraham, not to a nation.

 

You all have forgotten that the Palestinians in Israel were grandfathered in as Israli citizens at the partition but left Israel to join the Syrian Army which would push the Jews into the sea.

 

Thanks, LE!

 

FTR,

LE has given you very biased links. That's her choice, we all come here to express our opinions. But please also see my previous post in answer to your question.

Thanks,
PA Jim

 

Great point. Too bad that a significant portion of Bible-believing Christians in the world and throughout history have been dishonestly smeard with the "anti-Semite" charge.

 

Too bad that a lot of Bible-believing Christians in the world have followed in Augustine's footprints about all of it. It is no secret that the Catholic church has apologized publically in recent times to the Jewish population for what has been done over the centuries. Now if the Jews can just get some of those temple artifacts back from the basement in the Vatican....

 

Why would they need those? The only "artifact" they need is now in heaven, where he "has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man."

Let's not encourage their apostasy and rejection of the Messiah. The land belongs to Israel as a nation in accordance with the Abrahamic promises, but not until they repent. This current generation has no legitimate claim to God's promises, though they have every right to make a political claim to the land.

Ken, the land promise was not fulfilled. It was in fact repeated in the exilic and post exilic prophets, meaning that the time of Solomon does not count. They didn't have the promise in the time of Solomon anyway, at least if you read the Bible's account. We don't need to wait around for that fulfillment. It will come soon enough, in God's time. We need to be about the business of planting churches and growing disciples in them.

 

No, but God has already fulfilled it in the Old Testament when God gave Israel all of the land that it was promised, which they then lost because of disobedience, and then in the New Testament with the coming of Christ Jesus.

There's no point in waiting on something to be fulfilled, LE, that God has already fulfilled.

Also, those verses you quoted applied to Abraham, not to a nation. </font>[/QUOTE]Ken, I have been eating Ken's Steak House salad dressing, and I guess that it is you who is Ken on the label.

Shaking the bottle, when did Israel ever get all the land promised to them? The promise included about half the middle east.

 

That does not make them anti-Semitic. You should apologize for your unkind and untruthful mis-characterization of everyone whose eschatology differs from yours.

 

PL, please, I was cracking a joke. (aka Conspiracy Theory, LOL) Good grief.

CMG, you made me hungry for a salad. I like Ken's dressing, too. Especially the blue cheese and ranch.

Yes, if Israel had ever gotten about half of the middle east and not been driven into exile, the picture would be much different today. Oh well....one day.

Ah, now here's topic for a thread...Do they repent first and get the land, or do they get the land and then repent?

Chicken and egg.

 

PA, please refer to my previous post about Augustine and anti-Semitism.

http://www.biblicist.org/bible/replace.htm

 

They would have to repent first. That shouldn't be debatable, even among premillennialists.

 

Gotta go, but I will when I come back. In the meantime, maybe you could check the link to Bonhoeffer, unless you're afraid of what you might learn.

 

What makes you think Bonhoeffer is orthodox?

 

That does not make them anti-Semitic. You should apologize for your unkind and untruthful mis-characterization of everyone whose eschatology differs from yours. </font>[/QUOTE]If anything, the Bible-believing Christians who have followed in the footprints of Augustine should be apologizing to the Jews! Just look at what Christians have done to Jews in the Name of Jesus Christ!

http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_pers1.htm

 

You are talking about almost every Christian until about 40 years ago when the Darbyite sect of which you are a member started to rapidly grow.