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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Jun 30, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

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    19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
    20¶Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
    21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
    1 cor 1
     
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    Anything but the Niv , message , passion , NLT , CSB , NET ,ESV
     
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    could you explain these verses in your understanding? 1 cor chapter 2
    6¶Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

    12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
    13¶Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
    14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
     
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    I'm talking about the immediate context of the natural man verses. You went to the next chapter, where Paul does discuss the foolish wisdom of the world.
     
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    1¶And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.( 1 cor 2 )

    4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
    5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
    6¶Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
    7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    13¶Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
    14But the natural man ( the saved but carnal ) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    15But he that is spiritual ( mature christian ) judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
     
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    This is concerning man's methodologies in conveying the Gospel. I mentioned this earlier. Some churches today rely on marketing techniques to build churches rather than the simple truths of the Gospel. Paul is saying he didn't rely in cleverness, but rather truth. The natural unsaved man can be reached by cleverness. You see it all the time. Converts galore. But the truly converted come only by God's word.
     
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