The Nature of Fundamentalism

If an SB church has a woman pastor then they are really CBF. My whole problem with the leaders is that they do not kick the women-pastored churches out of the convention. If this problem becomes bigger I will leave the convention.

 

The Southwide Baptist Fellowship, the Baptist Bible Fellowship, and World Baptist Fellowship
(while still separate fellowships) have agreed
to cooperate or work together on some issues
and some matters relating to evangelism and missions in the Independent Baptist Network.

I think that there was a fourth independent Baptist Fellowship that met with the other three is some preliminary meetings, but seemed to have
backed on because of pressure from holders of the KJV-only view and from extreme separatists.

 

The new IBN- International Baptist Network- is the brainchild of Dr. John Rawlings. It is intended to be 'a network for helping'. Conservative SBC, BBFI, WBF, ABWE, BIMI, Southwide, are all involved.

It remains to be seen where all of this will go.

 

No, you can't be considered CBF unless you give missions support. You really think women pastors is a big problem? In the BGCT, about 6000 churches, there is a grand total of 2 full-time pastors that are women. That doesn't count Independent churches and SBTC churchs. You need to get out more, the sky isn't falling like you think.

I tried to read through this thread, enjoyed the nap, thanks. Fundamentalism, of any kind, eventually makes itself irrelevent, don't expect this to change because it has had baptist attached somewhere along the way.

 

I think that this artical pertains in a great way to this discussion. Read it completly before you comment on it.

Peronally, I think that it was one of the most balanced articals written on this whole idea of the future of fundamentalism.

http://www.sharperiron.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=124

 

Group A, Group B, Group C, Group D are you kidding me?

I'm in Group H! Group "Happy to see this as silly!"

Bell, Bumphus, Ed Nelson handed it to McLachlan, Ollila, McCune, Houghtons, Moritz, Doran,Davey, Buader, Vaughn, Tim Jordan????? Who?

If you think these people are the leaders of the Christian movement worldwide, you are delusional.

In my opinion history as a whole won't even record these men as leaders of the Christian movement. At best, they will be recorded as part of movement that seperated from itself and seperated from itself and seperated from itself until you had Group A, Group B, Group C, Group D, Group E, Group F, Group G, Group H....

 

HappyG,

Assuming a lot aren't we? Nobody said leaders of the Christian movemnet worldwide were the men listed above. But they were and are leaders with Baptist fundamentalist "movement".

Obviously you have a weak view of separation. The Northern Baptist Convention was filled with theological liberalism in the the 1930s.

 

Very frankly many of hte men who would be considered the leaders of the "Christian movement worldwide" are not Christians.

 

Will we ever find a clearly drawn line when it comes to separation? Does such a line exist?

 

Squire, I am very familiar with the names mentioned in the article.

And the article defines the movement and issues very well. "Silly!"

Ten years ago the movement was talking about these things and ten years from now they will.

Don't kid yourselves this is not about liberalism. The issues listed out in the article weren't about liberalism. All the groups are united against liberalism. This is more about attitudes towards "innovation" and "tradition" than liberalism.

Just reach your community and live out your faith. Who cares where you fit within a movement that thinks it defines the word "fundamentalism" but in reality is a small sect within the overall "fundamental" conservative Christian movement. You just made that clear in the above posts.

 

4Hisglory,

Your statement above that many of the leaders of the Christian movement worldwide are not Christians is why you are having conferences and meetings trying to figure out why the younger generation is rejecting your "movement."

Because unless you are talking about different people then I am and thus not the leaders of the conservative Christian movement worldwide, your statement wreaks of ignorance and arrogance.

 

HappyG,

You were not very clear in what leaders you were speaking of, to me "worldwide Christian movement" is very vauge terminology. If you meant conservative evangelicalism you should have said so in the first place.

It is evident though that you have a weak view of separation.

 

Look folks, I'm out here in the Wild West surrounded by Indians (aka Standard American Pagans). Alot of this discussion has very little to do with me, my home church or our ministry. (The same can be said of Pastor Tetreau a fellow Westerner.)

As for reaching my community, come on out here to Nineveh-by-the-Bay (aka San Francisco, California) and see what Hamilton Square Baptist Church is doing to reach The City.

I am a Historic Baptist. HSBC was founded in 1881 as a Regular Baptist Church (of the Northern persuasion). That was long before modernism reared its ugly head. HSBC still holds to the same theological and doctrinal positions as her founders. Consequently for purposes of this discussion, I view myself as a Fundamental Baptist, not a Baptist Fundamentalist.

 

4His_Glory,

You keep saying I have a "weak" view of separation which is a very "vague" statement.

If it makes you feel better to keep saying that, I am happy for you. You don't know me or my ministry but I will admit this. I am definitely not dying on the same mountains you are probably dying on.

So if that classifies me as "weak" by your standards so be it. I classify it as accurate and Biblical.