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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by John of Japan, Jun 12, 2017.

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  1. Happy

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    You will have to argue that point with Webster!

    I see that.

    It is typically all called commonly called "translation" ~ however NOT ALL commonly called translations ARE IN FACT "transliterations".

    According TO the definition of each word (translation and transliteration);
    I do not favor translation.
    I do favor transliteration.

    What about them? I favor transliteration.

    You do not comprehend... the Greek word (καρδιά) "transliterated to" English (heart)?

    As for an example I gave.....(and reject) English (heart) "translated to" English (human)....
     
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    That's a strange position to take.

    Meaning is not brought out in a transliteration or a word. It is simply swapping alphabets to approximate the same sound and spelling of the original language.

    No, you are the one that doesn't comprehend. The Greek word, καρδιά, transliterates to "kardia." The Greek word, καρδιά, translates to something like heart, inner life, or intention depending upon context.
     
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  3. John of Japan

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    Did you get these definitions from Webster? If you did, the BB rule (and the ethical thing) is to source your quotes.

    In the mean time, here is a definition for transliteration from a linguist: "The representation of a sound, phoneme, or word or uttarence in the conventional symbols of another language or system or writing" (Mario Pei and Frank Gaynor, Dictionary of Linguistics, 219).

    In other words, when you are transliterating, only the sounds of the original language are represented, not the meaning. It is still the foreign language, not English (or whatever language you are transliterating into).

    You can trust me on this. I have transliterated literally 1000s of times from Greek into English or Japanese, from English into Greek, from Japanese into English, from Chinese into English, etc.
    Good! Then perhaps you'll express yourself more clearly next time.
    Actually, not a single translation from any language anywhere in the world is transliteration. They are two different things.

    The only way the KJV can be transliterated into any other language is if the language is something other than English.

    The KJV (which I love and use) is a translation. The translators themselves said so in their Preface, "The Translators to the Readers," which you apparently really need to read.
    Look kid, don't teach your grandma to suck eggs. I teach Greek and translate the Bible by profession. :p What do you do for a living?

    καρδιά = "heart" is translation.
    καρδιά = kardia is transliteration.
    καρδιά = "human" is paraphrase.

    Here is the Japanese Lifeline NT (my team's work) of John 3:16: なぜなら、ご自分の唯一お生みになったご子息を与えられたほどに、神はこうしてこの世を愛された。それは、すべてご子息を信じる人が、滅びることなく永遠の命を持つためなのである。

    Here is the transliteration in the English alphabet: Naze nara, gojibun no yuitsu oumare ni natta goshisoku wo ataerareta hodo ni, Kami wa koushite kono yo wo ai sareta. Sore wa, subete goshisoku wo shinjiru hito ga, horobiru koto naku eien no inochi wo motsu tame na no de aru.

    Does that make sense to you? Or course not, if you don't know Japanese.

    I think what you are trying to say is that the Bible should be translated literally instead of by dynamic equivalence or sense-to-sense or paraphrase. If so, I agree with you.
     
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    They do not think Jesus was a human,and deny Hell, so their views on the Bible would be strange also!
     
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    Who is "they"?
     
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    Happy!
     
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    Well, that's obviously heretical. If that's what he believes, what in the world is he doing here?
     
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    I think "they" are the writers and editors of Webster's Dictionary, not Happy.
     
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    Hadn't thought about that gramps.

     
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    Good Grief....HOW ABOUT YOU NOT SPEAK FOR ME?


    Quote me! Oh right that would impossible, since I made no such stupid claim!
     
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    LOL ~ perhaps you should ask the one you are responding to, to provide you with quotes, from "they". LOL
     
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    Well, I did say "if." :Coffee

    But I do note in your profile that you don't have a home church. What's that about? (Just curious. No need to answer if you don't want to.)

    Gramps
     
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    Noted. :)

    I believe Christ has established His Church.
    I have elected to become a member of His Church.
    Thus I do have a Church.


    :Wink
     
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    I'm sure JoJ was inquiring about serving in a local church, and what he said about "just curious" and it being your choice to answer or not, also goes for me..
    Though "local church" is a phrase not found in the KJV, the NT from Acts thru Revelation talks about multiple assemblies - the plural "churches" is found 36 times (unless I miscounted) within that span of scripture. The NT is clear that, within the bride of Christ, there are local assemblies. Pretty much what God was having Paul do, as recorded in Acts, included the establishment and spiritual support of such local churches on two continents.
     
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    You seem to state that it was not eternal for sinners, and that Jesus was not really human though!
     
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