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The New International Version is not, a Translation

Sai

Sai

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The writers of the NIV were made up of Covenant theologians and their bias is clear in versus concerning Israel which is why they injected their preconceived philosophical prejudice into the text.
 
Hobie

Hobie

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Sai said:
It is a paraphrase.
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Very true...
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verb: paraphrase; 3rd person present: paraphrases; past tense: paraphrased; past participle: paraphrased; gerund or present participle: paraphrasing
  1. express the meaning of (the writer or speaker or something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.
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noun
noun: paraphrase; plural noun: paraphrases
  1. a rewording of something written or spoken by someone else.

And they didnt care if it agreed with the original inspired writers, so its a problem....
 
Hobie

Hobie

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Sai said:
Most leading scholars have said the NIV is a paraphrase like Ryrie.
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Well, if they didn't strive to take away from the divinity of Christ it could sneak by, but that's not the case as we see the evidence...

'By changing "God" to "He" they remove the fact that Jesus is God. This is done in the NASV also.
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16 (NIV) Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

By changing "Christ" to "God" they deny that Jesus is God.
Romans 14:10 (KJV) But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Romans 14:10 (NIV) You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. Romans 14:12 (NIV) So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

Jesus is eternal, He did not have an origin.
Micah 5:2 (KJV) But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Micah 5:2 (NIV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

Again, Jesus is eternal, He is the beginning and ending.
Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:8 (NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

NIV does it over and over.... http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html
 
Sai

Sai

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Yeshua1 said:
I know of no reputable scholars who call it that, but do see it as being either a DE or else a mediating version!
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Charles Ryrie who was the protégé of Schafer who was the protégé of Schofield said that it is.
 
Sai

Sai

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Hobie said:
Well, if they didn't strive to take away from the divinity of Christ it could sneak by, but that's not the case as we see the evidence...

'By changing "God" to "He" they remove the fact that Jesus is God. This is done in the NASV also.
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16 (NIV) Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

By changing "Christ" to "God" they deny that Jesus is God.
Romans 14:10 (KJV) But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Romans 14:10 (NIV) You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. Romans 14:12 (NIV) So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

Jesus is eternal, He did not have an origin.
Micah 5:2 (KJV) But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Micah 5:2 (NIV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

Again, Jesus is eternal, He is the beginning and ending.
Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:8 (NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

NIV does it over and over.... http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html
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Here, the evidence of the translation committee showing a doctrinal bias in support of their belief in replacement theology.

“Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬


“And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭ASV‬‬


“And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Yeshua1

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Hobie said:
Well, if they didn't strive to take away from the divinity of Christ it could sneak by, but that's not the case as we see the evidence...

'By changing "God" to "He" they remove the fact that Jesus is God. This is done in the NASV also.
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16 (NIV) Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

By changing "Christ" to "God" they deny that Jesus is God.
Romans 14:10 (KJV) But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Romans 14:10 (NIV) You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. Romans 14:12 (NIV) So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

Jesus is eternal, He did not have an origin.
Micah 5:2 (KJV) But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Micah 5:2 (NIV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

Again, Jesus is eternal, He is the beginning and ending.
Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:8 (NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

NIV does it over and over.... http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html
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Actually, both the Niv and Nasb support the deity of Jesus even more so then the Kjv does!
 
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Yeshua1

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Sai said:
Here, the evidence of the translation committee showing a doctrinal bias in support of their belief in replacement theology.

“Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬


“And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭ASV‬‬


“And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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Based upon the textual sources cited, correct?
 
Sai

Sai

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Yeshua1 said:
Based upon the textual sources cited, correct?
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Two groups of believers mentioned. And the context of the book has to do with how believers are to now live in the absence of the law of Moses. Gentiles do not need circumcisions, peace be upon them, and upon the Jewish believers, the Israel of God.
 
Sai

Sai

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The closest word for word translations are as follows
1. ASV 1901
2. NASB
3. NKVJ
4. KJV


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