The New Testament Reason for Honouring the Sabbath

[BobRyan]

SDAs will not allow a JW or Mormon or Catholic to come in and preach their doctrine to the congregation because they believe it to be in error.

How much more obvious can that be???

My point above was that there are quite a lot of non-SDA Sabbath keepers posted here that are NOT Calvinists - so they are inclined to do what God's Word says as well. Do you denounce them all??

You are spinning this like SDAs are the only ones that actually DO what the Bible says BECAUSE God's Word teaches it! My point is that the other non-SDAs here keep Sabbath on the same basis.

IN Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I may include here at least Loma linda and Adrews in America, and I wouldn't know how many other colleges and universities that may have obtained my books from the internet where they are available without cost.

Again, just consider this forum - I have had oppsition from Calvinists here - e.g. DHK. Go look at his counter-arguments, and compare them with your SDAs' - He at least resorts to the Scriptures; he looks a bit nearer to the real meaning of them. But what do you people do? Just read these last posts of yours - But I know you will shrug your shoulders and sympathise with the poor idiot.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by BobRyan:
SDAs will not allow a JW or Mormon or Catholic to come in and preach their doctrine to the congregation because they believe it to be in error.

How much more obvious can that be???

My point above was that there are quite a lot of non-SDA Sabbath keepers posted here that are NOT Calvinists - so they are inclined to do what God's Word says as well. Do you denounce them all??

You are spinning this like SDAs are the only ones that actually DO what the Bible says BECAUSE God's Word teaches it! My point is that the other non-SDAs here keep Sabbath on the same basis.

IN Christ,

Bob

Here's another example.
I am NOT a Mormon or whatever of them you refer to here; I have the freedomd and have received the grace I believe to call myself 'Evangelical'/'Reformed', Christian, Protestant ... AND Sabbatharian Seventh Day. I believe in the Scriptures for the WORD / LAW of God that witness of THE, WORD / LAW of God, Jesus Christ. I say, HE, teches me about His Holy Day of Worship Rest - through His Resurrection from the dead par excellence ---- and tht'a why you - SDA's - react like you do ---- here once again.

 

[BobRyan]

Let's say for example that I follow the pattern you are doing here. It appears to me it would go something like the following;

I look in the Bible and in James I see that the true spiritual man of God looks into the Mirror of the Law and sees clearly what God is saying to him. I also see that Our Lord and Savior calls Himself "the Son of Man".

This tells the "new improvide and spiritually minded me" that Christ the Creator - has styled himself as "The Son of Man" to convey deep spiritual truth.

#1. I see in the mirror that I have 2-eyes 2-ears 2-nostrils and 1- mouth.

#2. I SEE that in MAN is the pefect number 7 illustrated each time he looks into a mirror.

#3. I claim that this is God showing us a true deeper meaning for Sabbath - for the Son of MAN is in fact CHRIST - and we are to SEE Christ in that view from the Mirror meaning that the LAW as a mirror is to reveal CHRIST to us --

#4. That is CHRIST in the number 7 - the Sabbath - seen each time we look into the Mirror!! So the Sabbath is now linked to us not just IN THE WORD but in our VERY BEING if we take seriously the MIRROR lesson from James and the LAW. It is the essence of who we are to honor Christ in the Sabbath - our Creator - the "Son of Man" that gives us the MIRROR of the LAW.

I then take this to those dirty rotten stinking "SDAs" that respond with "sorry Bob we are still going to keep Sabbath in honor and obedience to What GOD said in Exodus 20".

I respond with "Oh! How AWFUL! you stinking legalists!! "

And then I go off in a huff.

Coming HERE on the BB to share all this good news about the mirror and our 2-eyes 2-ears 2-nostrils and 1- mouth.

What!?? They won't listen to ME?!! Those dirty rotten stinking... Huff! I already AM an SDA to boot! - and STILL they wont stop and do it my way "instead"?!!.

Bottom line is that as much as your views might be interesting or even insightful at some point - they do not replace THE WORD of God or the force of the COMMANDMENT of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Eliyahu]

Do we have to refuse the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill " as a legalism?

Do we have to refuse the commandment " Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery" because it is legalism?


Doesn't Holy Spirit guide us to accomplish the Law or to ignore the Law by creating a New Law?

In this aspect we have to be very much careful in discerning, I think.

 

[Claudia_T]

Gerhard,


You said:"Frankly I couldn't care less."


well you ought to care since you're the one who made the accusation.

 

[Claudia_T]

Eliyahu,

Amen to that!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by BobRyan:
Let's say for example that I follow the pattern you are doing here. It appears to me it would go something like the following;
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I look in the Bible and in James I see that the true spiritual man of God looks into the Mirror of the Law and sees clearly what God is saying to him. I also see that Our Lord and Savior calls Himself "the Son of Man".

This tells the "new improvide and spiritually minded me" that Christ the Creator - has styled himself as "The Son of Man" to convey deep spiritual truth.

#1. I see in the mirror that I have 2-eyes 2-ears 2-nostrils and 1- mouth.

#2. I SEE that in MAN is the pefect number 7 illustrated each time he looks into a mirror.

#3. I claim that this is God showing us a true deeper meaning for Sabbath - for the Son of MAN is in fact CHRIST - and we are to SEE Christ in that view from the Mirror meaning that the LAW as a mirror is to reveal CHRIST to us --

#4. That is CHRIST in the number 7 - the Sabbath - seen each time we look into the Mirror!! So the Sabbath is now linked to us not just IN THE WORD but in our VERY BEING if we take seriously the MIRROR lesson from James and the LAW. It is the essence of who we are to honor Christ in the Sabbath - our Creator - the "Son of Man" that gives us the MIRROR of the LAW.

I then take this to those dirty rotten stinking "SDAs" that respond with "sorry Bob we are still going to keep Sabbath in honor and obedience to What GOD said in Exodus 20".

I respond with "Oh! How AWFUL! you stinking legalists!! "

And then I go off in a huff.

Coming HERE on the BB to share all this good news about the mirror and our 2-eyes 2-ears 2-nostrils and 1- mouth.

What!?? They won't listen to ME?!! Those dirty rotten stinking... Huff! I already AM an SDA to boot! - and STILL they wont stop and do it my way "instead"?!!.

Bottom line is that as much as your views might be interesting or even insightful at some point - they do not replace THE WORD of God or the force of the COMMANDMENT of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]What a lot of nonsense are you talking! The only sentence worth anything is the last, because it reveals the real issue between 'legalist' and simple Scripture-believer.

Why could you not say: "... THE WORD of God - Jesus Christ - IS the COMMANDMENT"?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Christian don't look to teh written Law to see what God desires of him - he goes to Christ, and see everything most clearly, what God requires of him, and orders him to do, without a letter, yet always according to the letter as God's Word.
I find my inspiration for believing the Sabbath from and in Christ -- NOT, from or in the written Law. Even that very written Law is worth anything while and as far as it surrenders all its glory to Jesus Christ. You think a Jew keeps the Sabbath with that in mind? Yet he keeps the Sabbath - in vain!

 

[Claudia_T]

Gerhard,


I know you arent aware of this but by dismissing the Law of God you are embracing the very same doctrine as do New Age Spiritualists... actually the modern name for Witchcraft


And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.' Isaiah 8:19,20. If the Law of God is belittled then we can be sure that the message comes from one of Satan's Agents and not from the God of Heaven.


'Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.' -I Tim. 4:1

'...the spirits that now worketh in the children of disobedience.' Ephesians 2:2

New Agers who are into SPIRITUALISM see 'keeping-the Law' as doing everything that they can to 'keep in tune with the Great Universal All', and not in keeping God's Ten Commandment Law. They also believe that they themselves are 'The Law'. David Spangler, New Ager, makes it even clearer in this next statement about how he really feels about God's Law:


'We can take all the Scriptures and all the teachings, and all the tablets and all the Laws, and all the marshmallows and have a jolly good bonfire and marshmallow roast, because that's all they are worth. Once you are the law, once you are the truth, you do not need it externally represented for you.' -David Spangler, 'Emergence: Rebirth of the Sacred', Findhorn Publications, pg. 144

And now, let's see what top New Age Personality, David Spangler has to say about the Law of God:
'The evolution of the race is for man to learn not how to obey the law but how to be the law. There is a vast, vast difference. If you are the law it means that you are at one with the whole. For divine law simply exists. When a person understands this, then he begins to have that attunement, when he is the law, he is not going to act in any way that will disturb or distort the true balance of the true wholeness... The New Age is an age where there is needed that group of people who through attunement can be self-governing, act as the law, as the divine, as the right, as the love.'-David Spangler, 'Relationship and Identity', pg. 89,91,93

 

[Jim1999]

The principle of resting one day out of seven is good for humankind, whether it be Saturday or Sunday is irrelevant, and that is essentially what God was saying after the creation.

Whether Jesus rose on Saturday, Sunday or even Monday does not matter. We have chosen to celebrate the Lord especially on Sunday. At one time, even society respected Sunday and created "The Lord's Day Act", Sunday and did not allow business as usual on that day.

I am glad that we can at least get some to worship on Sunday.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I again, just say, the death-knell of the BIBLICAL, NEW Testament Sabbath, was the birth of the Unitarian and Adventist sects.

Evangelicalism has miserably failed to answer the challenge - as is once more confirmed by your peevish, self-justifying, un-Scriptural arguments, Jim1999. You actually exhibit fearless disregard for the Word of God, both written and Exemplified in the Life of Jesus Christ.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quoting ClaudiaT'

"I know you arent aware of this but by dismissing the Law of God you are embracing the very same doctrine as do New Age Spiritualists... actually the modern name for Witchcraft"

Are you blind? You are the ones who dismiss with the True Law of God, valid for this day and era we live in - the one since Christ rose from the dead. We would not have been, nor the era, had He not risen from the dead. ANY ANY ANY argument you make for the written Law - now contained and presented in and by and through Jesus Christ - is an argument that steals the glory of Christ for itself.

Again you react so typically SDA, accusing me I am a New Ager and what else. My heart goes out for you, God, have mercy upon them for they don't know what they do.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
Gerhard,


You said:"Frankly I couldn't care less."


well you ought to care since you're the one who made the accusation.

I said this with regard to the Jones et al's history or opinion.

Once more, you illustrate, CT, the way SDA's escape the challenge to take into consideration the Scriptures per se - round every corner you find a hidden escape way. I can't care less about those bygone debate between the theological dwarfs - let's get back to the Scriptures - the Law, you so brag with.

 

[Claudia_T]

I dont represent all Seventh Day Adventists, I am just me, one person. If for some reason I fail at how I should behave towards someone that doesnt mean that all SDAs are like me.

 

[Jim1999]

A pointing finger is no argument at all, Ebersoehn. How dare you point a finger at Claudia. She has been quite open and honest with her viewpoint and has not pointed a finger at anyone.

How can we trust anyone's theology that suppressed Black society for so many years and justified it by the Bible?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Claudia_T]

Thank you, Jim

 

[Claudia_T]

Gerhard,

If you would just show me scriptures in support of your theory I'd be glad to see it.

You cant just come up with something, saying that Jesus' resurrection means the Sabbath is the 7th day.

It makes no sense unless supported by the Bible.

and then your idea that the law doesnt apply anymore, I just dont see that since the new testament over and over says we have to keep the commandments.

But you go on accusing SDAs if this and that... and all I am asking of you is proof from the Scriptures.

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
A pointing finger is no argument at all, Ebersoehn. How dare you point a finger at Claudia. She has been quite open and honest with her viewpoint and has not pointed a finger at anyone.

How can we trust anyone's theology that suppressed Black society for so many years and justified it by the Bible?

Cheers,

Jim

Jim,

I must say that while no name calling has been used... Gerhardt is correct because indirect accusations have been made by both Claudia and BobRyan concerning most of the Board Being "Lawbreakers"...

And, have you noticed that in decrying Gerhardts accusing Claudia you yourself have turned around and painted him as a proponent of apartheid?

And, you have no eveidence whatsoever to back that up...

At least Gerhardt and I have a preponderance of posts that indicate to us that, at least (however inadvertent it may have been), indirect acusations have been made...

SMM

 

[Claudia_T]

Spiritual Mad Man


If I believe that the New Testament says we must keep the Law then there is no way of expressing my beliefs on that without coming across as me thinking they are "Lawbreakers". I certainly wouldnt believe them to be "Lawkeepers".

But you have called me a Legalist and a Coward.

Personally I dont want to talk to you anymore from now on and I wish that you would just leave me alone. I regret the times that I have.

Thanks,

Claudia