The next temple.

[Grasshopper]

Animal sacrifices will be started again by UNSAVED HUMANS, NOT GOD. Ok? That is the dispie view. NOT GOD-ORDAINED.

Before going hesterical on those who disagree with you, perhaps you had better read what leading dispies believe about the future Temple and sacrifices.

Thomas Ice, mouthpiece for Tim LaHaye:

The purpose for a Temple throughout Scripture has been to establish a location upon earth-which is under the curse of sin-for the presence of God that reveals through its ritual God's great holiness. God's plan for Israel, His earthly people, includes a relation to them through a Temple. Currently the church is God's spiritual Temple made of living stones (1 Corinthians 3:16-17; Ephesians 2:19-22), until the rapture. The millennium will return history to a focus upon Israel and will continue to be a time in which sin will be present upon the earth. Thus, God will include a new Temple, a new priesthood, a new Law, etc., at this future time because He will be present in Israel and still desires to teach that holiness is required to approach Him. This is contrasted with the fact that no Temple will exist in eternity (Revelation 21:22) because God and the Lamb are its temple and there will be no sin in heaven, thus no need for Temple ritual.

You see, God is doing this not unbelieving Jews.

• Many who take a literal interpretation of the Millennial Temple and sacrifices believe that one aspect of these acts will serve as a memorial to Christ's once-for-all atoning work at His first coming.

Hardly something UNBELIEVING JEWS would do.


This study suggests that animal sacrifices during the millennium will serve primarily to remove ceremonial uncleanness and prevent defilement from polluting the temple envisioned by Ezekiel. This will be necessary because the glorious presence of Yahweh will once again be dwelling on earth in the midst of a sinful and unclean people.
Because of God's promise to dwell on earth during the millennium (as stated in the New Covenant), it is necessary that He protect His presence through sacrifice . . . It should further be added that this sacrificial system will be a temporary one in that the millennium (with its partial population of unglorified humanity) will last only one thousand years.


Again, dispies indicate this is all a part of God's plan during this 1000 years.


The millennial Temple and its ritual will serve as a daily reminder of fallen man's need before a Holy God and lessons about how this same God lovingly works to remove the obstacle of human sin for those who trust Him.

You buy that? You have to if you are a dispie.

You must also believe that the New Covenant is not yet in effect. You believe that? Perhaps now you see the problems some of us have with dispensationalism.


http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=39

 

[Me4Him]

Re 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,(42 months) clothed in sackcloth.

Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.(1260 Days)

I wonder how many know that king Herod was a major builder in his day, most of the temple Roman destroyed was build by King Herod, and he was, and still is, well respected by the Jews.

Mt 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.

 

[genesis12]

Nice post, me4him!

Grasshopper, you can read all about the size and description of the Millennial Temple in Ezekiel 40 through 47.

 

[LadyEagle]

http://www.templemount.org/

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/

The major focus of the Institute is its efforts towards the beginning of the actual rebuilding of the Holy Temple. Towards this end, the Institute has begun to restore and construct the sacred vessels for the service of the Holy Temple. These vessels, which G-d commanded Israel to create, can be seen today at our headquarters in Jerusalem. They are made according to the exact specifications of the Bible, and have been constructed from the original source materials, such as gold, copper, silver and wood. These are authentic, accurate vessels, not merely replicas or models. All of these items are fit and ready for use in the service of the Holy Temple. Among the many items featured in the exhibition are musical instruments played by the Levitical choir, the golden crown of the High Priest, and gold and silver vessels used in the incense and sacrificial services. After many years of effort and toil, the Institute has completed the three most important and central vessels of the Divine service: the seven-branched candelabra, or Menorah, made of pure gold; the golden Incense Altar, and the golden Table of the Showbread.

The Institute is currently creating the sacred uniform of the Cohein Gadol, the High Priest. This project, the culmination of years of study and research, has been underway for several years. To date, the High Priest's Choshen (Breastplate) and Ephod have already been completed. To learn more about these garments and how they were created, and to view photos and illustrations, click here. The Institute has recently completed the me'il techelet - the High Priest's Blue Robe.

http://www.templeinstitute.org/about.htm

Members of Reestablished Sanhedrin Ascend Temple Mount
12:17 Jan 20, '05 / 10 Shevat 5765


In a dramatic but unpublicized move, members of the newly established Sanhedrin ascended the Temple Mount, Judaism’s holiest site, this past Monday.


Close to 50 recently ordained s'muchim, members of the Sanhedrin, lined up at the foot of the Temple Mount Monday morning. [The word s'muchim comes from the same root as s'michah, , rabbinic ordination.] The men, many ascending the Temple Mount for the first time, had immersed in mikvaot (ritual baths) that morning, and planned to ascend as a group. Despite prior approval from the Israeli police who oversee entry to the Mount, the officers barred the group from entering the Mount all together, and allowed them to visit only in groups of ten.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=73311

 

[bapmom]

Grasshopper,

I was not getting all hysterical.....in fact I was merely emphasizing words which apparently were being missed in what I had written earlier.

I in no way have to agree with the man you quoted in order for me to be a "dispie". Ive never even heard of the guy.....though I have heard of Tim LaHaye, and he is not one I'd follow in many of his doctrines.

However, I must point out that you are again putting together two things which we do not put together.....the millenium and the Tribulation. I am talking about the Temple that the anti-christ will rebuild during or prior to the start of the Great Trib. In this Temple I do believe there is Biblical evidence that animal sacrifices will be reinstated. I do NOT believe that this is a command of God, but rather is a command of the anti-christ in blatant disregard for the True Christ's sacrifice. Every dispie that ever taught me anything was of this opinion.

I also do not believe that there will be animal sacrifices in the Millenium. This will be totally unnecessary, as Christ's sacrifice will be just as good then as it is now.

 

[Grasshopper]

Grasshopper, you can read all about the size and description of the Millennial Temple in Ezekiel 40 through 47.

You can also read all about the dimensions of the New Jerusalem in Revelation, but it doesn’t change the fact that the angel called the New Jerusalem the “Lambs wife”/the bride.

I in no way have to agree with the man you quoted in order for me to be a "dispie".

Actually you kinda do. Otherwise your system falls apart.

I also do not believe that there will be animal sacrifices in the Millenium.

So what is Ez. 40-47 about if not the Millenium?

Do you believe the New Covenant is now in effect or is it still future?

 

[JackRUS]

For the a-millennialist still in denial of the obvious, here is a Jewish site on their next temple:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4wbps/id2.html

And of course the Temple Mount Faithful is known to all:

http://www.levitt.com/essays/temple.html


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.templemountfaithful.org/img/succoth2-2004.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.templemountfaithful.org/pix.htm&h=360&w=480&sz=67&tbnid=fLUjOep G3f0J:&tbnh=94&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtemple%2Bmount%2Bfaithful%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1

It's interesting that Ez. 42:20 mentions a "profane place". It could be the Gentile court, or it could be the Dome of the Rock.

"He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place."

 

[Jo$h]

Well since everyone wants to use websites to prove their point instead of scripture, then here some more.

The Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque

Solomon's Temple and the dome of the rock

Jewish views
Destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, by Francesco Hayez
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Destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, by Francesco Hayez

Ever since its destruction in 70 CE, Jews have prayed that God will allow for the rebuilding of the Temple. This prayer is a formal part of the thrice daily Jewish prayer services.

Not all rabbis agree on what would happen in a rebuilt Temple. It has traditionally been assumed that some sort of animal sacrifices would be reinstituted, in accord with the rules in Leviticus and the Talmud. However there is another opinion, beginning with Maimonides, that God deliberately has moved Jews away from sacrifices towards prayer, as prayer is a higher form of worship. Thus, some rabbis hold that sacrifices would not take place in a rebuilt Temple.

Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, the first chief rabbi of the Jewish community in pre-state Israel, holds that animal sacrifices will not be reinstituted. However, this is a view not shared by most Haredi rabbis. Rav Kook's views on the Temple service are sometimes misconstrued. A superficial reading of a passage in Olat Ri'iah indicates that only grain offerings will be offered in the reinstated Temple service. To properly understand Rav Kook's position on the matter, it is necessary to read a related essay from Otzarot Hari'iah.

A few, very small, Jewish groups support constructing a Third Temple today, but most Jews oppose this, for a variety of reasons. Most religious Jews feel that the Temple should only be rebuilt in the messianic era, and that it would be presumptuous of people to force God's hand, as it were. Furthermore, there are many ritual impurity constraints that are difficult to resolve, making the building's construction a practical impossibility.

Additionally, many Jews are against rebuilding the Temple due to the enormously hostile reaction from Muslims that would likely result— even were the building to be complementary to those holy to Islam currently present on the Temple Mount site, there would be high suspicion that such a building project would ultimately end with the destruction of these and the rebuilding of the Temple on its original spot.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by bapmom:
DeafPostTrib,

we are not here discussing LEGITIMATE animal sacrifices, as in God-ordained. We are talking about prophecies which seem to indicate that the Temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will once again be reinstated. This is NOT us saying that GOD commanded this to happen....but rather is just His prediction of what WILL happen.

We know that animal sacrifices are no longer necessary, and this is why we are talking here about UNSAVED Jews starting this practice again. They do not believe in Jesus' sacrifice.

One of the very BIG mistakes people make about the sacrifices was to believe they "remitted sin", but they never did, nor ever will.

And with that incorrect assumption, they believe sacrifices in the rebuild temple will "somehow" eliminate the need of "Faith" in Jesus dying to remit sins.

"Forgivness", "Repenting", "Animal sacrifices" won't satisfy the laws requirement of death for sin, only the death of a person. (Jesus/sinner)

 

[Paul of Eugene]

Just a side note, I'm puzzled by the counting of temples. We have Solomen's temple, that's number one. We have Zerrubbabel's templ, that's number two. Then isn't Herod's temple the third temple?

 

[DeafPosttrib]

I don't care about today's media or news mentioned about the latest updated on modern Jerusalem planning to built the temple.

Remember, CHrist told us, he shall destroy this temple and he shall raise it up in three days - John 2:19-21. He predicted the second temple in Jerusalem shall be destroyed completed and it already fulfilled in 70 A.D. Christ actual did destroyed the building of the temple of modern Jerusalem through Calvary also, allowed Roman army invaded and burned it downin 70 A.D.

Understand, Israel became 'nation' again in 1948 or 1967, that was caused by Zionism Movement even. include New World Order too. For the purpose is to persecute against Jews, include Gentile believers too.

Pretribs believe Matt. 24:15 must be describe of third temple shall be abomination when Antichrist shall enter the building of the temple, and shall sit in the temple to be blasphemy against God. One thing, Matt. 24:15 say nothing anything about 'temple'. Neither Dan. 9:27 suggest there shall be another third temple. Dan. 9:25-26 predicts about the SECOND temple already fulfilled about 70 years later after captivity under Babylon. Ezra the priest brought the first group of Jews to Jerusalem to built second temple. Then later Nehemiah came to Jerusalem with the group to built wall round around Jerusalem for the security purpose.

2 Thess. 2:4 seems proved that there shall be physical building of the temple, which Antichrist shall sit in it- physical & literal. I was in your shoe before, I thought verse 4 speaks of future third temple. But, I realized 'temple of God' means us as believers. Apostle Paul explained about 'temple of God' in 1 Cor. 3:16-17; and 6:19-20. That Christ is dwelleth in us , that we are the temple of God. It speaks of spiritually mean.

'Sitteth' of 2 Thess. 2:4 - I thought it says that the Antichrist shall sit on the literal throne in the temple. But, I realize it means to have power or to rule over.

Rev. 17:9 is a good example of 'sitteth'. Rev. 17:9 says, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountians, on which the woem sitteth."

Does this verse telling us, a literal woman shall sit on the literal throne on seven literal mountians? No. This is a symbol with spiritual meaning. My understanding that the seven mountians represent seven continents of the world. 'Woman' is described of Rev. 17:4-5 speaks of wicked spirit world system. The wicked spirit wolrd system is control over all nations with power.

I would like to show you of Rev. 13:5-7. Verse 5 tells us, Satan shall be given to have power and rule for 42 months right after when he shall be loosed out of the way(2 Thess. 2:6-7; Rev. 17:8; 20:3,7) to rule over the world. Rev. 13:6 says, "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his TABERNACLE, and them that dwell in heaven."

There are three things that Satan shall be blasphemy against: 1. God 2. God's tabernacle 3. God's people in heaven.

The question is, shall we see physical building of the tabernacle in the wilderness during great tribulation same as in Moses' day? No. It is not speak of physical. 'Tabernacle' of Rev. 13:6 represent God's people on earth. Tabernacle is same as temple. We are tabernacle. That mean, Satan shall blasphemy against God's people on earth.

Then, Rev. 13:7 tells us, satan shall persecute against Christians as he shall be power and rule over them. Same with 2 Thess. 2:4 tells us, Satan shall rule or persecute against God's people.

Also, Rev. 11:2 tells us, Satan's people shall war or persecute against God's people for 42 months.

There is not a single hint find anywhere in the New Testament saying that we shall see the third building of temple - physical.

We do not need another physical building temple. Because Jesus Christ is our temple, and we are the temple of God, also, we are priests, we have right to ask Christ to forgive all our sins away through his blood daily 24 hours.

I understand that Jews in Israel of today's. They still looking forward for their Messiah come, so, they desire want to built the temple to be prepared for the coming Messiah. Sadly, they are still blind, and do not believe Jesus is their true Messiah, and He is the son of God.

Will there be another third building of the temple in Jeruaalem? Probably. But nothing find anywhere in the Bible saying that we shall see another third building of the temple in the future. Christ said it is finished - John 19:30. Christ already ended daily sacrifices and physical temple through calvary. Now, he is our temple.

I would not be surprised that Satan shall be revealed as man to be acts like as Messiah and then he shall sit in the gold dome in Jerusalem.

No doubt, I believe Jews and Gentile believers who dwelling in Israel & Jeruaalem in their final generation shall see Satan sit in the dome, they shall know that he is blasphemy against God, and not believe that he is their Messiah. Then, they shall have to flee into the wilderness immediately to be avoid from being arrest or get killed by persecution.

Again, I tell you, there will not be another third temple in the future. Because Christ is our temple.

Also, there is no "millennial kingdom" after Christ's coming. When Christ shall come, then the present earth shall be burned and shall create it into a new earth. Then, Christ shall send New Jerusalem descend out of the heavn, it shall land on the new earth, and we shall dwell in New Jerusalem with Christ forever and ever. Also, we shall worshipping Christ, because He is our temple.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[LadyEagle]

Time will tell.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:
I don't care about today's media or news mentioned about the latest updated on modern Jerusalem planning to built the temple.

Remember, CHrist told us, he shall destroy this temple and he shall raise it up in three days - John 2:19-21. He predicted the second temple in Jerusalem shall be destroyed completed and it already fulfilled in 70 A.D. Christ actual did destroyed the building of the temple of modern Jerusalem through Calvary also, allowed Roman army invaded and burned it downin 70 A.D.

Understand, Israel became 'nation' again in 1948 or 1967, that was caused by Zionism Movement even. include New World Order too. For the purpose is to persecute against Jews, include Gentile believers too.

Pretribs believe Matt. 24:15 must be describe of third temple shall be abomination when Antichrist shall enter the building of the temple, and shall sit in the temple to be blasphemy against God. One thing, Matt. 24:15 say nothing anything about 'temple'.
In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[Ed Edwards]

Amen, Brother Me4Him - Illustrate it like it's going to be!

DeafPosttrib: //Neither Dan. 9:27 suggest there shall
be another third temple.//

Tee Hee, neither does:
Dan 11:36-37 (KJV1611 Editon):
And the king shall doe according to his will, and he shall exalt
himselfe, and magnifie himselfe aboue euery god, and shall speake
marueilous things against the God of gods, & shall prosper till
the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined,
shall be done.
37 Neither shall hee regard the god of his fathers, nor the
desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnifie
himselfe aboue all.

But what better place to flaunt against God than in
his House on Earth AKA: Temple.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Me4Him,

I disagree with your chart of 'three days'.

No excuse for you to read John 2:19-21. Christ was speak of his resurrection very clear. That he did actual destroyed temple during Calvary same time. God did tore the vial of the temple down from the top to bottom. Shows that it is finished. And he did risen from the death three days later, that he already became temple for us.

Simple and plain.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[bapmom]

Deaf,

we know there is no NEED for one, but that does not mean that one won't be built.


(Last time I try, I promise)

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:
Me4Him,

I disagree with your chart of 'three days'.

No excuse for you to read John 2:19-21. Christ was speak of his resurrection very clear. That he did actual destroyed temple during Calvary same time. God did tore the vial of the temple down from the top to bottom. Shows that it is finished. And he did risen from the death three days later, that he already became temple for us.

Simple and plain.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

Have you considered that the context of which you view scripture might be wrong???


The chart proves both a "Spiritual" and a "Literal" fulfillment of a single prophecy, and that includes a "Spiritual Kingdom" (Church) and "Literal Kingdom". (MK)

The three days are confirmed by the "schedule" given throughout the scriptures, when a doctrine is correct, it can be proven many different ways.

 

[Jo$h]

Tee Hee, neither does:
Dan 11:36-37 (KJV1611 Editon):
And the king shall doe according to his will, and he shall exalt
himselfe, and magnifie himselfe aboue euery god, and shall speake
marueilous things against the God of gods, & shall prosper till
the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined,
shall be done.
37 Neither shall hee regard the god of his fathers, nor the
desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnifie
himselfe aboue all.

But what better place to flaunt against God than in
his House on Earth AKA: Temple.

Ed I hate to disappoint you but that prophecy was already fulfilled.

Have you considered that the context of which you view scripture might be wrong???


The chart proves both a "Spiritual" and a "Literal" fulfillment of a single prophecy, and that includes a "Spiritual Kingdom" (Church) and "Literal Kingdom". (MK)

The three days are confirmed by the "schedule" given throughout the scriptures, when a doctrine is correct, it can be proven many different ways.

Mt 24:32 & Mk 13:28 are the same verse. I would love for you to show me how you can prove it with scripture.

 

[genesis12]

Actually, Herod's temple was a restructuring of the 2nd temple; it was not officially identified as THE third. Some historians count several temples in Jerusalem over time, others specify 5. None among these ever rose to the status of being known as The Third Temple to be present when the Jews are restored to the land God promised them in Genesis. That temple is described in Ezekiel 40-47.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Jo$h:

Mt 24:32 & Mk 13:28 are the same verse. I would love for you to show me how you can prove it with scripture.

Mt 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: (Jesus)

Mr 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: (Israel=BRIDE=HER)

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

Israel restored as a Nation, "HER BRANCH" putting forth her leaves. (1948)

Israel must be restored as a Nation before the trib begins and that generation is prophecied not to pass until the trib is finished, which means Jesus's "physical return", and seven years prior, the rapture, go figure.

Ac 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

But now it is the "time/season" for us to know.

Am 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.