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This is one of those "interpretations" the calvinist have a problem with, it is, but it aint.Originally posted by Jo$h:
Me4Him you did not answer my question
What happens to Israel in Deut 28-30 if they don't obey the Mosaic Covenant? Does the Mosaic Covenant still stand?
You actually make Jack VanImpe look sane.
</font>[/QUOTE]There are "milk drinkers" and there are "Meat eaters", and it's not wise to give meat to a milk drinkers, they choke on it.Originally posted by Jo$h:
If I could borrow a phrase from Grasshopper
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> You actually make Jack VanImpe look sane.
Especially if the meat is spoiled.There are "milk drinkers" and there are "Meat eaters", and it's not wise to give meat to a milk drinkers, they choke on it.
Why do assume I am a calvinist?This is one of those "interpretations" the calvinist have a problem with, it is, but it aint.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise t 24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27For it is written, “Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear;God's promise to Abraham was both "physical and Spiritual", physical to the nation of Israel, Spiritual to all who had "faith".
Rom 11:7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, 8but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardenedThis is why israel, being enemies of the gospel, wasn't "cast away", and are still "elect", but only through faith in Jesus,
Did I miss something in 70 AD with the Romans and the whole jewish war thing?the reason they suffer the chastisement of the trib and the church doesn't.
Hebrews 9:11 "But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption."[/QUOTE]As the "PASSOVER LAMB" Jesus only protects the "Firstborn" from death, the Church.
Jesus as the "SCAPEGOAT" (day of atonement) the sins of Israel are placed on him, "BUT" a "GOAT" sacrifice was still required for "personal sins".
Le 16:7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Le 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
The "Goat" represents SIN or the "body of sin" as in Sheep/Goats.
The church sacrifices their "goat" when the old man is crucified.
Ro 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin (Goat) might be destroyed,
Israel will have to "literally sacrifice" their bodies (goat) to be saved during the trib, this is the "stripes in their flesh" from the "Chastisement" of God's "ROD", the AC.
So you want to send the jews back to Israel so 2/3 s of them can die and the rest become Christians?Jesus suffer the stripes/Chastisement/shedding of blood in his flesh for the church, but God will require Israel to suffer these in "their flesh" for rejecting Jesus, but still require "FAITH" in Jesus before he'll save.
A better translation would be; And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death They did not put their own lives before loyalty to Christ. There is a direct reference to the words of Jesus in John 12:25, Mark 8:35, Matt 10:39, and 16:25 illustrate this point also. Jesus himself had been “obedient unto death” Phi 2:8Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Jesus' blood covers bothThe "Feast of Passover" and "Day of atonement" both required a "blood sacrifice", how these two work together to explain to scriptures is an area in which most people are ignorant.
The literal Mosaic covenant was a shadow/type, it's anti-type is the New Covenant.Just mention God requiring Israel to literally "shed their blood" before he will remit their sins and listen to the "Church crowd" that only Jesus's shed blood will save,
they don't understand how the "literal OT Mosaic Covenant" combines with the "Spiritual NT Covenant" to form "ONE".
Isn't this what the book of Acts is all about?The OT was "literal" or "Physical", the NT is "Spiritual", which Israel won't accept without the physical signs and wonders produced under the OT.
What did Jesus come to this earth to do?With the rapture of the "Holy Ghost" (Voice of Jesus) and church, Israel will go back under the "law and prophets" (Two witnesses, Moses/Elijah) for the tribulation.
Heb 2:4 God himself showed that his message was true by working all kinds of powerful miracles and wonders. He also gave his Holy Spirit to anyone he chose to.And being back under the "Literal/Physical" "L/P" system of leadership, the signs and wonders will return, but instead of suffering a "Spiritual death", as the church does, Israel will suffer a "Literal/Physical" death to be saved.
Israel demanded physical proof from God before they would believe, so God will demand physical proof from them before he'll save.
Jesus start preaching at 30 years of age, add 40 years= 70 AD, the year Rome destroyed the temple, scattered the Jews.40 days of preaching caused Ninevah to repent. 40 years of preaching did not get Jerusalem to repent
I believe we have already been over this,Mt 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch (Jesus) is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Ps 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; (70 years)
Jesus's birth-Temple destruction=70 Years, a Generation.
Wrong for "WHAT", post it man, post it!!!Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
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Matt 24:33 So, you too, when you see all these things(THE SIGNS), recognize that He is near, right at the doorMatthew 24 32, Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
but who is his Branch?
Jeremiah 23 5,
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Zechariah 6 12,
And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying,
Behold the man whose name is,The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Let me tell you how to interpret a parable,Originally posted by Jo$h:
You will find the following in interpreting parables in any hermeneutics book.
The Interpretation Of Parables
A Parable is a narrative that is constructed for the sake of conveying important truth. It is inherently figurative language that draws an illustration from life to teach spiritual truth.
When studying parables we should seek to deter-mine the central truth of the parable. Part of doing this is to look for contextual clues to help in the interpretation, namely, look to see if the Lord states the central principle that He wanted to communicate and then uses a parable to illustrate the principle. We should also look carefully to determine how much of the parable Christ inter-preted Himself, separating the essential from what is only attendant to the theme.
When interpreting a parable you do not take words out of the parable and say this means this and that means that, you determine the one central truth in the parable in other words you do not try to make the parable walk on all fours.
His branch and her branch are the SAME greek word, NOWHERE in the context of those 2 passages does it refer the destruction and restoration of Israel that is EISGESIS you are doing.His branch was the destruction of Israel
Her Branch is the restoration of Israel.
Day of Christ is not the day of the lord,
the rapture is not a resurrection
His branch is not her branch,
different words have different meaning because they are different and used to describe different events.
And if you're going to study prophecy, you'll have to learn the differences between them.