Zaac
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So you really think that evil, the lesser of two or otherwise, is gonna REALLY try to undo evil?
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The "Nightmare Scenario"
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To me, Trump is a chameleon, and pro-life is a color he's chosen to blend in with the core Republican electorate. He's a super salesman and I'm not yet ready to buy. What he would do if in the White House - do we really know? It seems to be a choice between the evil we know and the potential evil we don't know. A Trump presidency might include very able appointees doing good things, or it might turn out worse than anything Clinton would do, even including SCOTUS appointees.
Also, I think it to be unfair to lay the Trump nomination at the feet of evangelicals, though they/we had a part. To me, it's more what I call "Archie Bunker evangelicals" (who are not evangelical at all) that have been the basis of Trump's support. However, I agree that the US is speeding toward God's judgment, confirming the truth of what Paul wrote to Timothy, that things would wax worse and worse. However, as BW318 so aptly put, believers need to be serving God fully, especially in sharing the Gospel, and no "nightmare scenario" should be used as an excuse to do otherwise.
Impossible.
Zaac
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Doesn't that run contrary to the nature of evil? If a house divided cannot stand, do you really think that evil is intentionally going to attempt to undo this knot in the process of producing Godly offspring?
Surprisingly, I agree with you carpro!
No matter what, Clinton will nominate left-wing justices. She might name a center-left justice to get through a tough Senate battle.
Trump wouldn't nominate anyone left of center because of the GOP Senate leadership's input. He would have to listen because he needs confirmation. Trump doesn't like looking unsuccessful, so he would nominate what the Senate wanted--a right of center candidate. Now, yes, you could end up with an Anthony Kennedy. But Anthony Kennedy is no RBG.
Yes, God is able to use evil to create good and then destroy the evil with the good which He used to create the good.
HankD
I am sure that there are lots of things that would be worse than Trump becoming president. For example, the volcano at Yellowstone erupting which would destroy at least half of the United States. That would be worse than Trump or Clinton becoming president. You could make an argument that the volcano erupting would be God's judgment on the US.So on one hand you say Trump being the president would be God’s judgment on the country as in we will all be doomed and on the other hand say there is only one thing important and nothing stopping us from spreading the Gospel except the excuse that the government can make any difference whatsoever.
Which is it, Trump is the worst thing that can happen to our country or nothing can effect or stop us? Sorry,but you can't have it both ways.
BlessedWife318 did not say anything about God's preplanned wrath being a wonderful thing for us to behold. What she said was that God rises and topples empires and holding on to that is a wonderful thing. Holding onto His sovereignty is a wonderful thing to hold on to. I don't think that anyone will enjoy seeing God's wrath on display regardless of who it is directed at.Oh, I think I see where you would like to go with this,Trump makes no difference and Hillary makes no difference, of course, unless Trump becomes the president
THEN this election is a sign that God’s judgment is upon us
and “He will prune the church for His glory, YES, praise Sovereign God that He is in control,and for the upcoming preplanned wrath which is due to Trump will be a wonderful thing for us to behold!AMEN!”
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just in case..let us be reminded, once again, that Hillary can simply make no difference. AMEN!
You act like having a bias is a bad thing. Everyone has a bias, even you have a bias and you choose to criticize her for having one. Also, an impressive amount of emojis but I think you can put more on your response to me. Consider it a challenge, how many emojis can you put into one response without making yourself look ridiculous. Oh never mind that event has already happened.Glad that got straightened out!!But, if you two are so sure it makes no difference in any way pray tell why are you here continually, obsessively and biasedly attacking one side as the worst evil that can fall upon us??? Your two’s double-speak is seriously messed up! …
I have never even used the word Wrath in connection to Trump or Clinton. I have always used judgement, as those two words have very different connotations. One can come back from judgement, such as Judah after being in exile for 70 years in the Old Testament, or even Nebuchadnezzar being crazy for 7 years, but there is no coming back from God's wrath once it is poured out. The cavalier way that the Gospel (equating salvation to pastor being able to endorse candidates from the pulpit) and God's wrath (used as a sarcastic tool to jab at someone he disagrees with) have been spoken about by Benjamin is heartbreaking to me.
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You really didn't need the strawman. It kinda ruined your whole statement.
yeah I know Benjamin strawman of my position ruins his argument, but it does support one of my biggest
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How is what she said a strawman? Benjamin said that Trump would help the spread of the Gospel and then he posted a video of Trump saying that he would get rid of the Johnson Act, which keeps pastors from endorsing anyone from the pulpit. Either these two issues are linked in his mind or Benjamin picked an incorrect video to support his point.
Really? You don't get it?
OK , tell me who "equated salvation to pastor being able to endorse candidates from the pulpit".
I'll help you out here. No one. Ergo...strawman
She was making a good argument. Why ruin it with something that didn't happen?
Apparently I was not the only one that thought the video of Trump freeing pastors to endorse candidates was a bit misplaced when talking about the Gospel, but Tendor did bring up another option, that the wrong video was linked by accident. So I will give Benjamin the benefit of the doubt and assume he linked the wrong video and wasn't trying to link sharing the Gospel with endorsing candidate
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Apparently I was not the only one that thought the video of Trump freeing pastors to endorse candidates was a bit misplaced when talking about the Gospel, but Tendor did bring up another option, that the wrong video was linked by accident. So I will give Benjamin the benefit of the doubt and assume he linked the wrong video and wasn't trying to link sharing the Gospel with endorsing candidate
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And you're not going to take responsibility for your false statement.
Hmmm... I've always thought better of you.
what false statement? the video he linked is about endorsing candidates. Do you disagree? What does that have to do with the Gospel? Like I said I will assume it was the wrong video, and that he wasn't meaning to link those two together.
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