The NKJV and it's pagan symbol

[rsr]

I am happy to hear that the publishers took the complaint to heart and modified the cover

I am disappointed to hear that the publishers took the complaint of folks with no sense of context and no knowlege of Christian history to heart and modified the cover. (If they did. The folks who design covers aren't at all involved in the translation.) If so, they caved to ignorance.

 

[Spirit and Truth]

quote:

I am disappointed to hear that the publishers took the complaint of folks with no sense of context and no knowlege of Christian history to heart and modified the cover. (If they did. The folks who design covers aren't at all involved in the translation.) If so, they caved to ignorance.

S&T:

Well, on the positive side, at least there is no appearance of evil anymore.

 

[Dr. Bob]

True. And they will not please the "only sect" short of burning the NKJV!

 

[rsr]

There was never an "appearance" of evil, except in the eyes of those with no concept of context or Christian history. I wish they'd kept it.

 

[Elk]

When I looked at various pages on this topic, I was reminded of some observations that I made some years ago. Was it during the 1390's or the 1490's??? when the Christian world was really into symbolism, such as making "Cluny" tapestries, with the unicorn representing Jesus Christ, and the maiden representing Mary...all in taking the legend of the unicorn and making it into a Christian one. The multitude of animals represented each a different theme, I believe, such as a rabbit on the tapestry meant faithfulness, and many animals represented something positive, except I think the monkey represented sin??? Anyway, my point for saying all this, was that it was an age where folks, believers, were trying to make things represent "good". There was a lot of symbolism. Today, as I see here, people make something that was meant for good into a bad thing. Everything is apparently evil.

But Paul says we are free. He talks about the "don't look, don't see, don't touch" stuff.

As for me, I much rather live my life looking for the good in things. Embracing the positive.

As for me, I liked the symbol on the Nelson New King James Bibles, and you all know how much I have struggled with the Trinity concept.
And regarding the Celtic...one does not have to look too far to learn about Ireland, Celtic, St. Patrick, etc. He (St. Patrick) even used the "shamrock" plant of Ireland to explain the Trinity to the people of the land there when he came back. This shamrock symbol with the three leaves, became a national symbol there or should I say well known, all because of that. Some people say today it represents good luck. But Christians there know it represented the Trinity, and still today for many. So, what does it represent to you?

Well, I guess, I said enough. I just choose to see the good.

God bless you all in Jesus' Name.

 

[rsr]

The shamrock is a pagan symbol because it represents a gasoline station that buys gasoline from Islamic countries ...

Appreciated your post.

 

[Spirit and Truth]

One thing that I have learned over the years. If you mock someone elses opinion on a topic, by stating that they are ignorant, it does not improve your scholarship. Also, if you mock someone using a "you are stupid" tone, it does not entice them to follow your "logic". These are just a few of the many observations I have made.

 

[Spirit and Truth]

Here is an interesting article that I read about symbols:

http://www.seekgod.ca/crossandstar.htm

 

[rsr]

If you mock someone elses opinion on a topic, by stating that they are ignorant, it does not improve your scholarship. Also, if you mock someone using a "you are stupid" tone, it does not entice them to follow your "logic". These are just a few of the many observations I have made.

I had no idea this discussion had anything to do with scholarship. Otherwise, it would have been ended by now.

 

[rsr]

Do you have nothing to say about my post that Satanism and Wiccanism are modern systems of thought and have very little, if anything, to do with historic paganism?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by rsr:
Do you have nothing to say about my post that Satanism and Wiccanism are modern systems of thought and have very little, if anything, to do with historic paganism?

Actually, modern Paganism has little
to do with historic Paganism. In fact,
most practicioners call it Neo-paganism.

 

[rsr]

I say we have the best claim on the symbols and should defend them.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I'm not ready to surrender my Christian
symbols to the Pagans and New Agers.
Also, my Salvation is non-negociatable.
And i'm not going to give up either
of my two copies of the New King James
Version, even if both do have the
triquetra (the one at home is an
earlier version that doesn't describe
the triquetra; the one at word describes).

BTW, when a say "triple blessings" to
a Pagan, i mean blessings in the name of
(1) God the Father,
(2) God the Son,
(3) and God the Holy Spirit.
I have no idea what they think i mean.

I believe the New King James Version (nKJV)
to be the inerrant Written Word of God,
the Holy Bible, preserved by the Hand of God
for the 21st century (just as the
KJV1611 was for the 18th century
and the KJV1769 for the 19th century).

You can have my nKJV when you pry
it from my cold dead hands.
(tee hee, i'll have the Living Word
of God, Messiah Yeshua, right at hand)

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by rsr:
I say we have the best claim on the symbols and should defend them.

Amen, Brother RSR -- Preach it!

 

[rsr]

S&T said:

If you mock someone elses opinion on a topic, by stating that they are ignorant, it does not improve your scholarship. Also, if you mock someone using a "you are stupid" tone, it does not entice them to follow your "logic". These are just a few of the many observations I have made.

I never said anyone was ignorant. I never said anyone was stupid.

I have no desire for you to follow my "logic." I know that won't happen. I only wish to edify folks who drop in here unawares.

 

[Ransom]

Elk said:

When I looked at various pages on this topic, I was reminded of some observations that I made some years ago. Was it during the 1390's or the 1490's??? . . . The multitude of animals represented each a different theme, I believe, such as a rabbit on the tapestry meant faithfulness, and many animals represented something positive, except I think the monkey represented sin???

This idea goes back much farther than the 14th century. There is a whole cycle of Anglo-Saxon "bestiary" poetry from the eighth or ninth century that describes the appearance and behaviour of certain animals and then draws moral lessons from it. Some of the poems I had to study and translate in school were The Phoenix, The Panther, and The Whale. Of these I found The Phoenix the most fascinating. The author, often presumed to be Cynewulf, the ninth-century bishop of Lindisfarne, draws a parallel between the life, fiery death, and resurrection of the Phoenix, and the fall, redemption, sanctification, and glorification of men.

It is a beautiful metaphor. As I said earlier in the thread, the medievals found everything deep in meaning.

Of course, the negative nellies who find pagan symbols in everything will dismiss this as a bunch of heathen nonsense. Nuts to them!

 

[robycop3]

Originally posted by rsr:
Do you have nothing to say about my post that Satanism and Wiccanism are modern systems of thought and have very little, if anything, to do with historic paganism?

As the worship of Baal, Ishtar, Isis, Molech, dagon, etc. has died out, they've been replaced by Wicca, New Age, etc. until Satan has finally attained in part the thing he was after all along-direct worship by men. That's why "a cowboy's work is never done".

Not to mention Mormon, SDA, JW, and all the other harmless-looking, but very deadly, cults that have arisen since the American Civil War.

 

[Walls]

Funny how should say that about the civil war. Prior to the civil war this country didn't observe holidays, I wonder what other types of things came from the civil war? New thread, I suppose!

 

[HankD]

Actually, Joseph Smith founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Fayette, New York State on 6 April 1830. The first Mormon temple was dedicated in at Kirtland Ohio in 1836.

HankD

 

[Walls]

Just curious? In the olden days, Puritans, Quakers, Ana-baptists (to name a few) tended to be plain in their dress and appearance much like the Amish of today. I know they aren't allowed to where any clothing that has any kind of symbol or logo on them. At one point in time that was standard in public school. Would it not hold true to say that there shouldn't be logos or symbols on God's word? Just a thought!