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The NT does not teach Christ to return soon.
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You still don't understand how lame it is to have Jesus saying 'some of you here will not die within the next eight days'. If that's too deep for you to grasp,....well, disregard...
Horse + Water ≠ Drink.
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To the lost.. but the saints should be expecting His return when its time is truly near, without knowing the day or the hour:
2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, my brothers, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2 that you should not be soon shaken in mind or troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word or letter, as through us, as if the Day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition ...
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"When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." Matt. 10.23
The appearance of Christ certainly was sudden and unexpected to the lost. And it was, just as Paul promised, a relief and vindication for the surviving saints. Christ came in the lifetime of some of His disciples, while they were still, as the verse above tells us, going "through all the towns of Israel".
This all happened in the 1st century.
There is nothing found in history to document this event. For the Apostle John died an old man and his grave can still be visited, today.
From the Basilica of St. John.
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There is nothing found in history to document this event. For the Apostle John died an old man and his grave can still be visited, today.
I see. You disregard the Scripture and go right into dubious traditions concocted for ignoble reasons. When I was in Syrian Antioch (now a part of Turkey) I visited the church where Peter taught. But that also was history invented for a purpose.
Care to actually deal with the text?
Not your view of it. We’ve been through all that, before.
It is enough we remain brothers in Christ and will just wait in anticipating which of us will be shown correct as the world turns to more evil.
Not your view of it. We’ve been through all that, before.
It is enough we remain brothers in Christ and will just wait in anticipating which of us will be shown correct as the world turns to more evil.
Well, OK. A pass then. I am still waiting on anyone who cares to answer this one.
Anyone?
Are the original disciples still going from town to town in Israel?
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So you believe the second appearing took place in the first century?
Yes, sometime between 66-70.
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The text Matthew 10:23 refers to a yet future time. The plural personal pronoun use is also used to refer to future disciples not merely the immediate audience. So the event described in Matthew 10:23 refers to a time shortly before the end of that future tribulation period referred to in Matthew 24. Matthew, Mark and Luke's tell of Jesus' teaching on this needs to be take together. Two parallel teachings Matthew 23:20, Mark 13:11 and Luke 21:15 prior to the event found Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24 and Luke 21:25. Putting these teachings together is a matter of interpertation. In short those collective texts and others tells me the when of Matthew 10:23. I am not going to write a book here to explain this further.
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Well, I understand that view to be heresy. A later version like reported in 2 Timothy 2:17-18,". . . And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. . .
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Every single plain text - like this one or the transfiguration one or the many "this generation" verses - can be explained away when one is determined enough to do so.
Oh please. Their heresy was indeed that of timing as well as doubting the resurrection altogether. But do you not recognize that there are events predicted in the Bible like the Virgin Birth, that then come to pass? Yet Isaiah 7:14 is still in our Bibles, still in the future tense.
Matt. 24:
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
2 Thess.2: 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Rev. 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Now, these events have simply not yet occurred. So, Jesus hasn't yet returned. Just more reason to know that preterism is false.
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
2 Thess.2: 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Rev. 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Now, these events have simply not yet occurred. So, Jesus hasn't yet returned. Just more reason to know that preterism is false.
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Evidently you do not believe Jesus' words as being applied to what His transfermation really was.
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The texts mean what they say. In Matthew 24:33-34, ". . . So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. . . ." The "This generation" are the generation which are the "when ye shall see all these things" referring to the evens of Matthew 24:29.
Thank you! You're articulating these things well! Someone said, "Read the Bible as if you're reading other people's mail, because that's what you're doing".
1. The Scriptures are to be taken in the sense attached to them in the age and by the people to whom they were addressed.
2. Scripture cannot contradict Scripture.
3. The Scriptures are to be interpreted under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which guidance is to be humbly and earnestly sought. - Charles Hodge
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