The Obama re-election myth

[LadyEagle]

Well, a Christian voting for Romney needs to be enlightened. There is no power to allow a President to nullify the power of the Supreme Court, or the Congress. You seem to have a big problem with equating people who vote their conscience as voting for Obama. Nothing could be further from the truth. What is the price of a soul? Being a Republican apologist?

Oh and by the way, Romney care was fashioned years before Obama care. When Romney was running for Senate against Ted Kennedy, they tried to out abortion each other in the debate. You said he is a "decent and honorable" man. How do you come to that conclusion? Is it his u-turn on right to life, pro gay rights, gun control, or government run health insurance?

If you think a Supreme Court or Congress cannot stop an imperial Presidency, read the history of Nixon's last two months in office.

First of all, I am not a Republican apologist, as I stated in another thread, in 2004 I voted for Michael Peroutka of the CP and attended the CP rally in Nashville. Still have the Peroutka yard sign in my garage (it's for sale to the highest bidder for a keepsake, BTW, and also have an unopened CD with Michael Peroutka's speech, it's for sale, too).

Secondly, this president has already stacked the supremes, so that check and balance is out (and remember, he had the little 4-hour "secret meeting" with all SCOTUS justices except Alito before he was sworn in - probably something to do about him not being eligible to be POTUS, is my guess: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4722284-503544.html - checkthis out: http://goodsensepolitics.blogspot.com/2009/01/obamas-secret-meeting-with-supreme.html ) - and apparently, John McCain knew about Dems stuffing the ballot box in 2008 and never pursued voter fraud, so apparently many in Congress know and so that check and balance is out.

And, yes, I believe Mr. Romney when he says he more or less saw the light about abortion. He has explained his position on the other issues, too, but apparently you haven't heard them because your mind is already made up. Well, vote your conscience. I have and will, as well. I briefly listened to Mr. Goode the other night on C-Span. It's a throwaway vote at a crucial time for our nation. When I threw my vote away in 2004, it was a protest vote against Bush, but the socialists hadn't pervaded every nook and cranny of our government 8 years ago like they have now. The soul of America and her existence is at stake this go around.

 

[saturneptune]

First of all, I am not a Republican apologist, as I stated in another thread, in 2004 I voted for Michael Peroutka of the CP and attended the CP rally in Nashville. Still have the Peroutka yard sign in my garage (it's for sale to the highest bidder for a keepsake, BTW, and also have an unopened CD with Michael Peroutka's speech, it's for sale, too).

Secondly, this president has already stacked the supremes, so that check and balance is out (and remember, he had the little 4-hour "secret meeting" with all SCOTUS justices except Alito before he was sworn in - probably something to do about him not being eligible to be POTUS, is my guess: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4722284-503544.html - checkthis out: http://goodsensepolitics.blogspot.com/2009/01/obamas-secret-meeting-with-supreme.html ) - and apparently, John McCain knew about Dems stuffing the ballot box in 2008 and never pursued voter fraud, so apparently many in Congress know and so that check and balance is out.

And, yes, I believe Mr. Romney when he says he more or less saw the light about abortion. He has explained his position on the other issues, too, but apparently you haven't heard them because your mind is already made up. Well, vote your conscience. I have and will, as well. I briefly listened to Mr. Goode the other night on C-Span. It's a throwaway vote at a crucial time for our nation. When I threw my vote away in 2004, it was a protest vote against Bush, but the socialists hadn't pervaded every nook and cranny of our government 8 years ago like they have now. The soul of America and her existence is at stake this go around.

Your statement admitted the Democrats and Republicans are the same with the McCain nonsense. You voted against George Bush who I voted for. Now, lets look at it this way. George Bush, although not a perfect conservative, is light years above Romney. George Bush is a Christian, he is pro life and pro marriage. So you vote against him and turn right around and vote for a cult member who is pro abortion and pro gay rights, Yeah, that makes lots of sense.

Believing Romney has changed is not my problem. Have you even read his record in Massachusetts and the transcript of the debate with Ted Kennedy? Mitt Romney has not changed. In fact, he does not care about abortion, gay rights etc one way or the other when it comes down to it, he cares about pandering for votes in exchange for the blood of innocent children. As I said before, how many lives were aborted because of his actions? How much is a human soul worth? A few votes? Where do you think his soul is headed? Mitt Romney is the essence of pure evil.

The soul of America is at stake? What does Mitt Romney have to do with helping out the soul of America? You know what, the soul of America is freedom and liberty, and the price is high. It is service, sacrifice, time away from family, living in extreme hot and cold, being in harm's way, and yes, even risking or giving ones life. It is not waving a flag and singing "God Bless America" at a parade. So when you lecture me about the soul of America, what have you done?

 

[LadyEagle]

Your statement admitted the Democrats and Republicans are the same with the McCain nonsense. You voted against George Bush who I voted for. Now, lets look at it this way. George Bush, although not a perfect conservative, is light years above Romney. George Bush is a Christian, he is pro life and pro marriage. So you vote against him and turn right around and vote for a cult member who is pro abortion and pro gay rights, Yeah, that makes lots of sense.

I disagree with you about GW Bush after doing some research after 09/11. Romney is not pro-abortion, see below:

Believing Romney has changed is not my problem. Have you even read his record in Massachusetts and the transcript of the debate with Ted Kennedy?

Oh, you mean Chappaquiddick Teddy? Give me a break!!

Check this out:

http://thecompetentconservative.com/mitt-romney-on-health-care-in-1994/


And this:

"....<snipped> But now some people are asking if Romney ever supported abortion rights at all? Backers of abortion rights don't think so.

"In Massachusetts, when he was running for governor...a very liberal state, a state that was pro-choice, he was playing to the audience," says Nancy Keenan, President of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "And he made promises to the pro-choice community at that time that he did not keep," she said, including vetoing a bill that would have provided emergency contraceptives to victims of rape. "So the fact of the matter is he was not authentic in his position at that time."

<snipped>

During that 2002 run, Romney insisted in a debate, "I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose, and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard." Putting a point on it, he said, "I will not change any provisions of Massachusetts' pro-choice laws."

Eight years earlier, in 1994, when Romney unsuccessfully challenged the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, he had been even stronger on the issue: "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country; I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate," he said during that year's debate. "I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it."

That prompted Kennedy to say, "I am pro-choice. My opponent is multiple choice."

<snip>

Keenan says his 2005 veto of a bill to provide the so-called morning-after pill to rape victims made him even more anti-abortion than other governors who also ended up in this year's GOP presidential field.

"Pawlenty and Huntsman actually signed those bills," she said, referring to the former Minnesota and Utah governors Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman. "So you can see that he is to the right (of them) and very anti-choice."


http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/11/29/142827112/mitt-romneys-evolution-on-abortion

The soul of America is at stake? What does Mitt Romney have to do with helping out the soul of America? You know what, the soul of America is freedom and liberty, and the price is high. It is service, sacrifice, time away from family, living in extreme hot and cold, being in harm's way, and yes, even risking or giving ones life. It is not waving a flag and singing "God Bless America" at a parade.

Agreed.

So when you lecture me about the soul of America, what have you done?

More than you'll ever know....but here's something to think about - would you rather have a socialist/Jeremiah Wright "christian"/who bows to muslim kings and has pro-muslim policies, who has a questionable eligibility to hold that office, who undermines our allies and military and trashes our nation when he is abroad and whose wife stated she was not proud to be an American, and someone who abuses the power of the office and circumvents Congress on a weekly basis,

or someone who some accuse of being in a cult but that cult believes Americans are descended from the tribe of Ephraim and Manasseh and therefore, he will stand strong with Israel and not throw her under the bus, who will be loyal to our allies and will reverberate the goodness of America while abroad, who loves this country, whose ancestors are not socialists, but capitalists, and who believes in freedom and liberty and the American dream, not only as part of our birthright, but also has lived the American dream by working hard, will NOT bow to muslim kings, has a pro-marriage record, being married to the same woman for many years and raised 5 sons who are outstanding, who will not use taxpayer money foolishly for self-serving interests, and who believes in a strong American defense?

Bottom line - Obama must not be re-elected because if he is, our country is doomed. Even if people have to hold their noses to vote for Romney, a vote for Romney is a vote to stop the obama steamroller of trashing our Constitution. Please check this out:

http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/379

 

[saturneptune]

Romney is not pro-abortion, see below:

First of all, I should probably apologize for some semi smart alec remarks. I served during the early 70s and will leave it at that. It is past history. I do, as a general rule, believe that we as a nation get involved in way too many situations around the world. Defending our national security is one thing. It is quite another to prop up a government that is just as bad as the one we are trying to prevent taking over. It is none of our business.

Anyway, check out these links on Romney.

http://massresistance.org/romney/#abortion

http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/...-is-pro-abortion-and-pro-socialized-medicine/

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/top-five-romney-documents-on-in-support-of-gay-rig

These seem to give the exact opposite impression of your links. There seems to be lots of confusion about his record. The fact is, the bill he signed known as Romney Care had abortion provisions within it.

The truth is that he is not for or against abortion, gay rights, or the other issues in dispute. I believe he is for whatever garners the most votes at any given point in time. In addition to all of these moral issues, Romney is the first known non Christian nominee. His cult believes Jesus Christ is not God, along with tons of other screw ball beliefs.

I had a really bad experience as an elected delegate to the Constitution Party National Convention. None of the other delegates from Kentucky, including the state party chairman, showed up. I had no idea what to do. This was my first convention. The whole thing was very disorganized. I was really irked when I left, and have not responded to any of their emails at the state level. Virgil Goode was nominated by one vote 203-202. I like some of his ideas, but he is not a good speaker, and does not inspire a crowd. If a third party is to ever have a chance, the nominee will have to be insipring and connect with voters.

I am half way thinking about going back to the Republican Party after the election. I got the feeling that the Constitition Party is just putting in a half effort. I mean, why bother if you are not going to give it your all.

So you see my dilemma now. Obama is not an option, in fact, I have no option right now. I almost wish you could change my mind about Romney. Read the links and let me know what you think.