The one "true church"

[Mur]

Borrowed from another site. What's your take on this explanation?

The "one true church" is Jesus's body of faithful followers who may have differing doctrines but are united in their sincere devotion to follow and serve him. Jesus's church has no buildings and no payroll.

 

[Cathode]

Borrowed from another site. What's your take on this explanation?

The "one true church" is Jesus's body of faithful followers who may have differing doctrines but are united in their sincere devotion to follow and serve him. Jesus's church has no buildings and no payroll.

Not differing doctrines, singular Apostolic doctrines from a singular Apostolic interpretation of Scripture.
Not human founded doctrines on human founded interpretations of Scripture.

 

[Walter]

Borrowed from another site. What's your take on this explanation?

The "one true church" is Jesus's body of faithful followers who may have differing doctrines but are united in their sincere devotion to follow and serve him. Jesus's church has no buildings and no payroll.

Define 'faithful followers'. Would you include Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses, Oneness 'believers' among the 'one true church'?

 

[Mur]

Not differing doctrines, singular Apostolic doctrines from a singular Apostolic interpretation of Scripture.
Not human founded doctrines on human founded interpretations of Scripture.

In other words, only those who goose-step to your doctrines are "true" followers of Christ.

 

[Mur]

Define 'faithful followers'.

Those who emulate Christ daily in their thoughts and deeds.

 

[Cathode]

In other words, only those who goose-step to your doctrines are "true" followers of Christ.

Well, a mule team looks like tyranny to a wild ass.

If you are used interpreting what you think from scripture, the ancient traditional interpretation of Scripture the Apostles handed down will cramp your style.

True followers of Christ, follow the Apostles interpretation of Scripture, the wild ass follows his nose.

Sound doctrine is a product of sound interpretation of Scripture.

 

[Mur]

Well, a mule team looks like tyranny to a wild ass.

If you are used interpreting what you think from scripture, the ancient traditional interpretation of Scripture the Apostles handed down will cramp your style.

True followers of Christ, follow the Apostles interpretation of Scripture, the wild ass follows his nose.

Sound doctrine is a product of sound interpretation of Scripture.

Yea, only you and those who believe exactly as you are members of the "true" church. Hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

 

[Cathode]

Yea, only you and those who believe exactly as you are members of the "true" church. Hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

When you say “ True “ followers, it means those who follow the true doctrines that the Apostles handed down with true interpretation of Scripture.

What would you prefer, your interpretation of Scripture or the Apostles interpretation of Scripture handed down?

 

[Mur]

When you say “ True “ followers, it means those who follow the true doctrines that the Apostles handed down with true interpretation of Scripture.

You stated a requirement of unity of thought on all doctrinal matters. I disagree with your opinion.

 

[Cathode]

You stated a requirement of unity of thought on all doctrinal matters. I disagree with your opinion.

So which would you prefer, your own interpretations of Scripture or the traditional interpretation of Scripture handed down from the Apostles?

What Apostolic Tradition is like, is the Apostles themselves personally standing in front of you explaining the meanings of Scripture and thus giving sound doctrine.

An example of this is being born again of water and Spirit, the Apostles teach this verse means water Baptism is Regeneration.

Human interpretation of scripture in the 1500s taught that water Baptism is symbolic.

So you can follow the Apostles interpretation or the human interpretation which is false doctrine.

 

[Cathode]

You stated a requirement of unity of thought on all doctrinal matters. I disagree with your opinion.

The scripture alone heresy is not from scripture, scripture actually teaches we must hold to two traditions from the Apostles, the word of mouth tradition and the written traditions together.

This is where Bible alonism broke from the Apostles Written Tradition of scriptures and the word of mouth tradition of the Apostles.

Rejecting Apostles Tradition of interpreting scriptures meant people began human interpretation of scriptures, many human traditions exploded interpreting as they saw fit, interpreting their own unsound doctrines from scripture.
Massive confliction in doctrine and the new phenomena of thousands divided denominations was the disastrous result.

The deadly idea was, pick up the bible for yourself and decide what it means to you. Like the Holy word of God is to be trampled and subjugated to each man’s muddy opinion.

People then started to interpret stupid and dangerous doctrines for themselves. Like Hell does not exist, and they offer many proof texts for the evidence.

Every heretic that has existed offers endless passages from scripture to support his heresy.

You are not meant to interpret scriptures for yourself. It is the most dangerous thing you can do in this world. You are safer jumping from a plane without a parachute than privately interpreting the scriptures.

Scripture warns about this.

“He speaks about these things in all his letters. There are some things hard to understand in them. The untaught and unstable will twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.”

You can interpret your own destruction from scripture.

Who are the “ untaught “ and who was to teach them? The Apostles by word of mouth tradition was to teach them what scripture means. That’s why Catholics have always followed the Apostles interpretation of scripture, not our own private interpretations or other human interpretations of scripture.

You can only twist scripture to your destruction if you start privately interpreting scripture for yourself or follow someone else’s private interpretation of scripture.

“First of all, you must understand this: No prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,”

It’s understanding is singular.
Private interpretation is deadly. But then people simply will privately interpret that it’s only the prophetic parts we are not meant to interpret.

All of scripture is prophetic, there is the predictive prophecy, and the narrative prophecy from creation and the fall to the restoration of all things. It all predicts the future.

“These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Luke 24:44

 

[Walter]

Here is what we know about Mur from his previous postings and positions taken on previous threads he has started.

Since he moved to Mexico he doesn't fellowship with other Christians. He stated that there are churches around him but doesn't fellowship with them and has no idea what doctrines they hold.

Mur refuses to state what church holds his belief that the Bible teaches every person, demon and Satan will eventually enjoy everlasting life in Heaven and every being from the beginning of time to the end of time WILL BE SAVED.

Of course, as on other threads, Mur ignores questions asked of him that show the irrelevance of the threads he post. An example, I asked him if Mormons. JW's, and Oneness church members are part of 'The One True Church'? Instead of a yes or no he says 'Those who emulate Christ daily'. So, only people who every single day 'emulate Christ' are part of the 'One True Church', according to Mur. Is refusing to gather with other Christians to fellowship and worship as the Bible states 'the Body of Christ' is to do 'emulating Christ daily'? I think not.

Mur states he is a 'biblical non-denominational believer' but don't expect him to identify a bibe-church or sect that holds his universalism. He can't do it and has been called upon to do so over and over.

Why should he care what Baptists require for candidates for baptism or what constitutes 'The True Church' when no sect of believers hold his position?

Again, we need to counter his heretical posts and threads for the sake of those genuinely seeking truth on this board. A lot of people who visit this board are non-members who only read these threads and not post here.

Normally, I don't believe we should feed the trolls, but dangerous teaching such as Mur's universalism has to be called out.

 

[Mur]

The scripture alone heresy is not from scripture, scripture actually teaches we must hold to two traditions from the Apostles, the word of mouth tradition and the written traditions together.

This is where Bible alonism broke from the Apostles Written Tradition of scriptures and the word of mouth tradition of the Apostles.

Rejecting Apostles Tradition of interpreting scriptures meant people began human interpretation of scriptures, many human traditions exploded interpreting as they saw fit, interpreting their own unsound doctrines from scripture.
Massive confliction in doctrine and the new phenomena of thousands divided denominations was the disastrous result.

The deadly idea was, pick up the bible for yourself and decide what it means to you. Like the Holy word of God is to be trampled and subjugated to each man’s muddy opinion.

People then started to interpret stupid and dangerous doctrines for themselves. Like Hell does not exist, and they offer many proof texts for the evidence.

Every heretic that has existed offers endless passages from scripture to support his heresy.

You are not meant to interpret scriptures for yourself. It is the most dangerous thing you can do in this world. You are safer jumping from a plane without a parachute than privately interpreting the scriptures.

Scripture warns about this.

“He speaks about these things in all his letters. There are some things hard to understand in them. The untaught and unstable will twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.”

You can interpret your own destruction from scripture.

Who are the “ untaught “ and who was to teach them? The Apostles by word of mouth tradition was to teach them what scripture means. That’s why Catholics have always followed the Apostles interpretation of scripture, not our own private interpretations or other human interpretations of scripture.

You can only twist scripture to your destruction if you start privately interpreting scripture for yourself or follow someone else’s private interpretation of scripture.

“First of all, you must understand this: No prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,”

It’s understanding is singular.
Private interpretation is deadly. But then people simply will privately interpret that it’s only the prophetic parts we are not meant to interpret.

All of scripture is prophetic, there is the predictive prophecy, and the narrative prophecy from creation and the fall to the restoration of all things. It all predicts the future.

“These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Luke 24:44

Your problem isn't that you're wrong; your problem is that your monolithic self-pride prevents you from seeing the truth. There's no point in helping you to better understand because you're not open to the possibility that you don't possess an infallible understanding of God, his nature, and his plan.

 

[Mur]

Here is what we know about Mur from his previous postings and positions taken on previous threads he has started.

Since he moved to Mexico he doesn't fellowship with other Christians. He stated that there are churches around him but doesn't fellowship with them and has no idea what doctrines they hold.

Mur refuses to state what church holds his belief that the Bible teaches every person, demon and Satan will eventually enjoy everlasting life in Heaven and every being from the beginning of time to the end of time WILL BE SAVED.

Of course, as on other threads, Mur ignores questions asked of him that show the irrelevance of the threads he post. An example, I asked him if Mormons. JW's, and Oneness church members are part of 'The One True Church'? Instead of a yes or no he says 'Those who emulate Christ daily'. So, only people who every single day 'emulate Christ' are part of the 'One True Church', according to Mur. Is refusing to gather with other Christians to fellowship and worship as the Bible states 'the Body of Christ' is to do 'emulating Christ daily'? I think not.

Mur states he is a 'biblical non-denominational believer' but don't expect him to identify a bibe-church or sect that holds his universalism. He can't do it and has been called upon to do so over and over.

Why should he care what Baptists require for candidates for baptism or what constitutes 'The True Church' when no sect of believers hold his position?

Again, we need to counter his heretical posts and threads for the sake of those genuinely seeking truth on this board. A lot of people who visit this board are non-members who only read these threads and not post here.

Normally, I don't believe we should feed the trolls, but dangerous teaching such as Mur's universalism has to be called out.

You're another lost nutcase.

 

[Cathode]

Your problem isn't that you're wrong; your problem is that your monolithic self-pride prevents you from seeing the truth. There's no point in helping you to better understand because you're not open to the possibility that you don't possess an infallible understanding of God, his nature, and his plan.

What is your authority to teach?

How am I prideful, I don’t follow my interpretations of Scripture saying that I am the arbiter of scriptures interpretation.

I only follow the interpretation of Scripture that the Apostles handed down.

Are you claiming you have an infallible understanding of God, His nature and plan and can teach others?

 

[Cathode]

You're another lost nutcase.

That’s not an argument. And your backend does not belong on God’s Judgement Throne.

Why is your interpretation of scripture better than anyone else’s ?

Examine your own pride situation mate.

 

[Walter]

Mur, really?

People who are unable to answer questions start hurling personal insults.

One more time, at what sect or church do you fellowship? What 'biblical sect' hold your views? Surely you can answer this simple question without calling me names or saying I am hateful, rude, etc.

 

[Mur]

People who are unable to answer questions start hurling personal insults.

You repeatedly attacked me personally. You're a radical, hateful, infernalist, nutcase. You produce no good fruit in this community. You behave like a religious cultist. You're like the Pharisees. Frankly, I think you and Cathode are GARBAGE people.

 

[Cathode]

You repeatedly attacked me personally. You're a radical, hateful, infernalist, nutcase. You produce no good fruit in this community. You behave like a religious cultist. You're like the Pharisees. Frankly, I think you and Cathode are GARBAGE people.

I don’t know about you, but I think I’m fantastic.

Thinking something doesn’t make it so, fortunately or unfortunately.

You need to answer the questions mate.

Just be up front and forthright and take a correction. Are you humble enough?

 

[Walter]

You repeatedly attacked me personally. You're a radical, hateful, infernalist, nutcase. You produce no good fruit in this community. You behave like a religious cultist. You're like the Pharisees. Frankly, I think you and Cathode are GARBAGE people.

I have never personally attacked you. I, as well as one of the moderator's, suspect you are trolling the BB.

You, on the other hand, have resorted to name calling and nastiness. I have been a member of the BB for many years. I watched people banned for behavior you are now engaging in, although the administrators give people warning and opportunity to stop engaging in the kind of post you just made.