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The one "true church"
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Are you teaching Catholics about their faith?
What does the Catechism say?
It's all turning the other way I'm afraid, everyone is starting to see the truths of the Catholic Church, even through the deepest darkest and most entrenched prejudices they have been nursing all their lives, and in their communities and families.
Bible aloners are seeing their new human traditions and interpretations for what they are, unscriptural and unhistoric.
They are returning to true doctrinal Christianity, the Catholic Faith, and leaving chaos of human interpreted religions.
Not hardly, I've never understood it.
Is that the updated version?
Well that sounds nice and I hope everything works out.
@Cathode
Would you say Catholicism has changed considerably since the Reformation took solid ground?
Be honest you're not going to be assassinated. At least not by me.
Revelation 12:7-> And there was war in heaven: Michael and his messengers fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his messengers,
Where are the defenders of the demonic RCC that rides upon the Gentile Beast having SEVEN heads and TEN horns and upon his horns TEN
crowns(A FUTURE ASSOCIATION WITH THE ESOTERIC JUDAISM THROUGH FALSE MESSIAH OF ISRAEL-10 TRIBES-REVELATION 13:2, AND ALSO REVEALS THE ROOTS OF THE BEAST OF SEA, take a look), and upon his (7) HEADS the name of blasphemy?
Where are the defenders of the demonic RCC that rides upon the Gentile Beast, the main partnership of the red dragon having also SEVEN heads and TEN horns, and seven crowns upon his HEADS?-> Revelation 13:11 combined with Revelation 12:3 and 9:->
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on, actually, this Baptist site-representing Baptist Church, is one among others Evangelical and Christian sites are within of heaven according to the Ephesians 1:3-10); and behold a great red dragon (appeared in the same environment of Ephesians 1:3-10), having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our GOD, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
THEREFORE, the Eternal punishment is inevitable:->Revelation 21:8->But the fearful(COWARDS), and idolaters, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Romans 1:18-23
18 The WRATH of GOD is revealed from heaven(Ephesians 1:3-10 combined with 1Corinthians 6:2-3 and Daniel 7:22and 26-27, take a look) against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of GOD is manifest in them; for GOD hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and GODhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew GOD (preached by the Apostles of the Lord and the Churches, including the primitive Church of Rome which apostatized itself) they glorified Him not as GOD, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible GOD into an image made like to corruptible man->(they made idols of the apostle among countless idols of demonic defuncts of men beatified by the Popes, ministers of Satan->2Corinthians 11:14-15-> and also idols of woman too. And they spread their satanic idolatry by having made horrend idols of the mother of JESUS among many defuncts of women like the so called mother Teresa, etc. - Get thee behind us Satan). Women in the Catholic Church - Wikipedia
2Peter 3:7 and 11-13:
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now (the first and second heavens, the third will be established from now on), by the same Word(Word of GOD)are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of GOD (this Day arrived), wherein the heavens being on fire(OT and NT-Hebrews 8:13,take a look) shall be DISSOLVED,and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth(Revelation 11:13-18, TAKE A LOOK), wherein dwelleth righteousness. Amen.
Be prepared or else get ready-> Matthew 25:6-10
Where are the defenders of the demonic RCC that rides upon the Gentile Beast having SEVEN heads and TEN horns and upon his horns TEN
crowns(A FUTURE ASSOCIATION WITH THE ESOTERIC JUDAISM THROUGH FALSE MESSIAH OF ISRAEL-10 TRIBES-REVELATION 13:2, AND ALSO REVEALS THE ROOTS OF THE BEAST OF SEA, take a look), and upon his (7) HEADS the name of blasphemy?
Where are the defenders of the demonic RCC that rides upon the Gentile Beast, the main partnership of the red dragon having also SEVEN heads and TEN horns, and seven crowns upon his HEADS?-> Revelation 13:11 combined with Revelation 12:3 and 9:->
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on, actually, this Baptist site-representing Baptist Church, is one among others Evangelical and Christian sites are within of heaven according to the Ephesians 1:3-10); and behold a great red dragon (appeared in the same environment of Ephesians 1:3-10), having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our GOD, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
THEREFORE, the Eternal punishment is inevitable:->Revelation 21:8->But the fearful(COWARDS), and idolaters, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Romans 1:18-23
18 The WRATH of GOD is revealed from heaven(Ephesians 1:3-10 combined with 1Corinthians 6:2-3 and Daniel 7:22and 26-27, take a look) against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of GOD is manifest in them; for GOD hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and GODhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew GOD (preached by the Apostles of the Lord and the Churches, including the primitive Church of Rome which apostatized itself) they glorified Him not as GOD, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible GOD into an image made like to corruptible man->(they made idols of the apostle among countless idols of demonic defuncts of men beatified by the Popes, ministers of Satan->2Corinthians 11:14-15-> and also idols of woman too. And they spread their satanic idolatry by having made horrend idols of the mother of JESUS among many defuncts of women like the so called mother Teresa, etc. - Get thee behind us Satan). Women in the Catholic Church - Wikipedia
2Peter 3:7 and 11-13:
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now (the first and second heavens, the third will be established from now on), by the same Word(Word of GOD)are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of GOD (this Day arrived), wherein the heavens being on fire(OT and NT-Hebrews 8:13,take a look) shall be DISSOLVED,and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth(Revelation 11:13-18, TAKE A LOOK), wherein dwelleth righteousness. Amen.
Be prepared or else get ready-> Matthew 25:6-10
Celebration of the Lamb's marriage? ONLY AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF BABYLON
According to GOD's Word, what needs to happen first? Exactly what is written in Revelation 18: 1 to 5, i.e. the Judgment of the Great Whore, as follows: 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. (Note: This...
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37818
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The true Apostolic teachings are solely the handed down New Testament itself from the first century.
Close but no cigar.
The Greek word translated "church" over 100 times in the NT is "ekklesia" (G1577) and it is a compound word meaning "called out" and refers to those who have been called out of the realm of darkness into the Kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13.
Some create a distinction, the universal church, referring to those born anew, and the visible church, filled with both tares and wheat. But it is a stretch to say the tares headed for the fire are actually part of the true church.
Turning down to the fact not all born anew believers believe all the same things. The rub here is that many professing believers are unwilling to seek a consensus of belief.
For example, I believe we were chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. But many other professing Christians believe 2 Thessalonians 2:13 does NOT say we were chosen through faith in the truth. They say I am unwilling to learn, and I say they are unwilling to learn. We cannot know if the actual divide is not between wheat and tares.
Dave G
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Sir, what does God's word say?
" Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth...." ( John 16:13a ). <--- When the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost, He came with a purpose...to guide those in Christ into all truth.
" Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth." ( 1 John 2:18-21 ). <---- Many "antichrists" ( teachers who claim to be His, but aren't ) have come into the world...that's how we as believers know that we are in the last days. They have gone out from the true faith so that it might be shown to God's children that they were not all of the faith. But God's people have an anointing from the Spirit, and they do indeed know all things. John did not write to them because they do not know that truth, but because they do.
" These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. " ( 1 John 2:26-27 ) <--- John writes here concerning them that try to seduce believers away from the truth...yet it will not succeed because the Spirit abides in them and they don't need a man to teach them of all things...as they already have that ability to discern the truth within them, and they shall abide in it.
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Dave G
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" [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 one God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all. " ( Ephesians 4:4-6 ). <--- There is only one body of Christ, not "many", and only one "faith", not many.
" And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 that we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; " ( Ephesians 4:11-14 ). <--- The Lord gave to us apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints...for the work of the ministry and for the edfiying ( building up ) of the body of Christ. The reason this was done, was so that all of God's people would come together in the unity of the faith and to the knowledge of the Son of God perfectly; and that they would no longer be tossed around by every wind of doctrine which is against them by the deceit of men ( false teachers ) who lie in wait to do that very thing...to deceive God's people.
" Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." ( 1 Timothy 4:1-3 ). <--- In the last days ( that's now ), the Spirit tells us that there will be professing believers who depart from the faith ( again, one faith ), and they will "give heed to" ( listen intently and believe ) seducing spirits and doctrines which are "of" devils. These people who listen to and speak against God's truth will do so in hypocrisy because their consciences are "seared"... They will also forbid people to marry and to abstain from certain foods.
" I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 and they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. " ( 2 Timothy 4:1-4 ). <--- This tells me that there will come a time ( a time which had been upon us for centuries now ) when professing believers will not endure sound doctrine, but will instead gather to themselves false teachers... because they have "itching ears", and want to hear things that please them....not according to the doctrines that the apostles taught and preached, but according to what ( ultimately ) unbelievers find pleasing.
They will ignore God's every word, and run after those who teach things in opposition to what His apostles taught.
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 one God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all. " ( Ephesians 4:4-6 ). <--- There is only one body of Christ, not "many", and only one "faith", not many.
" And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 that we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; " ( Ephesians 4:11-14 ). <--- The Lord gave to us apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints...for the work of the ministry and for the edfiying ( building up ) of the body of Christ. The reason this was done, was so that all of God's people would come together in the unity of the faith and to the knowledge of the Son of God perfectly; and that they would no longer be tossed around by every wind of doctrine which is against them by the deceit of men ( false teachers ) who lie in wait to do that very thing...to deceive God's people.
" Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." ( 1 Timothy 4:1-3 ). <--- In the last days ( that's now ), the Spirit tells us that there will be professing believers who depart from the faith ( again, one faith ), and they will "give heed to" ( listen intently and believe ) seducing spirits and doctrines which are "of" devils. These people who listen to and speak against God's truth will do so in hypocrisy because their consciences are "seared"... They will also forbid people to marry and to abstain from certain foods.
" I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 and they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. " ( 2 Timothy 4:1-4 ). <--- This tells me that there will come a time ( a time which had been upon us for centuries now ) when professing believers will not endure sound doctrine, but will instead gather to themselves false teachers... because they have "itching ears", and want to hear things that please them....not according to the doctrines that the apostles taught and preached, but according to what ( ultimately ) unbelievers find pleasing.
They will ignore God's every word, and run after those who teach things in opposition to what His apostles taught.
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Dave G
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I agree...
But how is it, in the light of the above, that you have come to ( what apparently looks to me ) believe and teach people that all those who may be "united in sincere devotion" are actually and truly His?
According to the Scriptures, His church is not full of differing doctrines, but one "doctrine"...
The doctrine of Christ, which is the body of all truth that has been revealed to us by His apostles and prophets; and what we, as believers, trust to be true. That is why the Lord Jesus prayed to the Father, this:
" Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." ( John 17:17 ). <--- His word alone is truth, and it is what we are sanctified by.
" ....Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." ( Matthew 4:4 ).
".... man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." ( Luke 4:4 ). <--- He also told us that the truths that we live by and trust alone, are His words;
Not man's words.
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Dave G
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@Mur
There are indeed false doctrines out there, and there are indeed false teachers ( and especially false believers, or false teachers wouldn't have a perpetual audience to captivate ) out there...
People who are not His, do not have the Spirit of God within them and do not hearken to true doctrine...or even know what that doctrine is.
The proof is "in the pudding";
They profess Christ and profess to know the truth, but in their outward works deny actually know Him and that truth ( Titus 1:10-16 ).
They follow "other Christs" and "other truths"....
Other "spirits" and are not being guided into all truth by the Spirit of God.
They do not all follow the same Jesus Christ, neither does His word agree with the modern concept of "ecumenism"....
Which is the commonly-held belief that all who profess Christ are actually His.
Contrary to this, we see:
" For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." ( Romans 8:14 ).
" ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." ( Romans 8:9b ).
Please, I urge you to carefully study the Scriptures again on this matter, and pay heed to all that they are saying.
His word tells us that, even though His people may be carried about with every "wind" of doctrine, they will not stay there for all of their lives.
He will guide them into the truth of His words.
May God bless you.
There are indeed false doctrines out there, and there are indeed false teachers ( and especially false believers, or false teachers wouldn't have a perpetual audience to captivate ) out there...
People who are not His, do not have the Spirit of God within them and do not hearken to true doctrine...or even know what that doctrine is.
The proof is "in the pudding";
They profess Christ and profess to know the truth, but in their outward works deny actually know Him and that truth ( Titus 1:10-16 ).
They follow "other Christs" and "other truths"....
Other "spirits" and are not being guided into all truth by the Spirit of God.
They do not all follow the same Jesus Christ, neither does His word agree with the modern concept of "ecumenism"....
Which is the commonly-held belief that all who profess Christ are actually His.
Contrary to this, we see:
" For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." ( Romans 8:14 ).
" ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." ( Romans 8:9b ).
Please, I urge you to carefully study the Scriptures again on this matter, and pay heed to all that they are saying.
His word tells us that, even though His people may be carried about with every "wind" of doctrine, they will not stay there for all of their lives.
He will guide them into the truth of His words.
May God bless you.
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Ben1445
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I could be wrong, but I think Mur is no longer with us. Profile is unavailable rather than limited viewing.
Why do you examine the sliver in a persons eye wile having a log in your own eye?
You blatantly referred to him as a heretic but isn’t that what the RCC has done to those who have & had differences of opinion regarding theology and beliefs? For a while there… well, I’d prefer not to go there after a Pope admittedly sited unchristian like behavior and asked forgiveness. Frankly brother, those that emulate Christ are the true believers in Christ as Mur pointed out.
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Good… study, dig deep, do not criticize because the Holy Spirit will lead you as he awakens you… good!
Btw, what credentials do you suggest we be proficient in in order to study & understand scriptures adequately? For example. Should we have a working knowledge of language like Koyne Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin to understand context? How about history & geography in order to understand the places and times of events? Does study of scripture assure the student complete understanding?