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the orange order
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Thanks soninme. Really, the S-I and their part in our early history, & their influence on the Anglosphere are a very interesting subject. They haven't recieved the publicity that other groups have, and they were too busy just staying alive to write much about themselves.soninme said:
The S-I had a very significant influence on US history. I recommend Billy kenedy's books which track the history of the Ulster Scots people in early America.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1840300116/?tag=baptis04-20
It was the S-I who gave birth to the term "hillbilly", because so many of them settled in the hills of the deep south, and were named after William of Orange, hence "hill Billys"
Several US presidents had Ulster roots, and this is often forgotten, and especially so when Irish Americans (i.e. Southern Irish Catholics) gained sympathy, and many thousands of dollars, for the cause of IRA terrorism against the modern day Ulster Scots in Northern Ireland.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1840300116/?tag=baptis04-20
It was the S-I who gave birth to the term "hillbilly", because so many of them settled in the hills of the deep south, and were named after William of Orange, hence "hill Billys"
Several US presidents had Ulster roots, and this is often forgotten, and especially so when Irish Americans (i.e. Southern Irish Catholics) gained sympathy, and many thousands of dollars, for the cause of IRA terrorism against the modern day Ulster Scots in Northern Ireland.
Ulsterman said:
you are very correct "Ulsterman " about the thousands of dollars and also manpower that certain groups from the USA have given and may still give to IRA terror groups in northern ireland .
Irish Northern Aid Committee (NORAID)
synonyms: NORAID
The Irish Northern Aid Committee was most commonly known as NORAID. The organisation was established in 1969 and based in the United States of America (USA). It saw its main role as providing support and financial assistance to the republican movement during the conflict in Northern Ireland. In turn this was to give rise to allegations, which Noraid always denied, that it was involved in giving active assistance to the campaign of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA). Despite these denials in 1977 the organisation was made to register as an agent of PIRA by the American government. During the 1980s and 1990s Noraid was to experience a series of internal splits caused by disagreements with the strategy then being adopted by the republican leadership in Ireland. As a result its profile and influence was to suffer as divisions widened with the formation of the Friends of Sinn Féin group in America.
UnchartedSpirit
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BobRyan said:
Still no Christian my age or younger follows any of Christ's commandments and barely pretends to be a witness...a few mass murders should whip them back into obiedience I think...
Perhaps, then, following the logic of the 'War on Terror, the UK should bomb New York and Boston?soninme said:
Old Covenant, New Covenant, anyone?webdog said:
Debby in Philly
Active Member
Politely resist! Would that both sides follow that one.soninme said:
orange order
The Orange Order in the USA is at
http://www.orangenet.org/loiusa/OrangeUSA.html
Orangeism reached the United States of America via New York, as early as
1820, with the first parade in Boston in 1824. The Institution was probably
taken to America by Ulstermen, many of whom were to make an impression on
the country at the highest level. Ulstermen in the armed forces, business,
and the professions, made an incredible impact on the country. Ulster
churchmen affected the Christianity of America so considerably that there
has remained a close affinity between the churches of Ulster and the United
States.
There was also a Canadian Orange influence in the early days of American
Orangeism. Soon it was to be a two-way thing, for American Orangemen found
employment in Canada, some of them to settle there permanently.
>From the beginning, "a number of free born Americans entered the ranks." By
the end of 1850, five states had Orange charters, and Orangemen had so
impressed the American people that they were invited to parade next to the
military at the funeral of President Taylor. William Shannon was named as
Grand Master.
click on the link above it will tell you more than i probaly could , and explain what is happening with orange brothers your side of the pond .
The Orange Order in the USA is at
http://www.orangenet.org/loiusa/OrangeUSA.html
Orangeism reached the United States of America via New York, as early as
1820, with the first parade in Boston in 1824. The Institution was probably
taken to America by Ulstermen, many of whom were to make an impression on
the country at the highest level. Ulstermen in the armed forces, business,
and the professions, made an incredible impact on the country. Ulster
churchmen affected the Christianity of America so considerably that there
has remained a close affinity between the churches of Ulster and the United
States.
There was also a Canadian Orange influence in the early days of American
Orangeism. Soon it was to be a two-way thing, for American Orangemen found
employment in Canada, some of them to settle there permanently.
>From the beginning, "a number of free born Americans entered the ranks." By
the end of 1850, five states had Orange charters, and Orangemen had so
impressed the American people that they were invited to parade next to the
military at the funeral of President Taylor. William Shannon was named as
Grand Master.
click on the link above it will tell you more than i probaly could , and explain what is happening with orange brothers your side of the pond .
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soninme said:
Doesn't everybody?
In spite of support for the IRA among Irish-Catholics in the northeast, beginning in the 70’s the US began denying visas to Sinn Fein and IRA spokesmen. In the 1980’s, gun runners began to be arrested, and major rings were broken up. In 1986 President Reagan pushed the Supplementary Treaty which ended the political immunity of IRA gunmen hiding in the US. These actions had their effect, and support dropped dramatically.
Anglican missionary Charles Woodmason wrote of his experiences among the Scots-Irish of the Southeast in 1766.
He wrote that he packed his saddlebags with prayerbooks and a pint of rum, and "was heavy-loaded like a trooper". Traveling into the interior, he met with a mixed reception. Some settlers welcomed him into their cabins. Others drove him away. One family of Scots-Irish Presbyterians told him that they "wanted no damned black gown s*** of b****** among them" and threatened to use him as a backlog in their fireplace. Others stole his horse, rifled his clothing, and drank his rum.
The climax to his adventures came when he fell into an ambuscade, and was captured by a gang of old-fashioned border reivers. They carried him captive to a settlement where they lived with their women and children. He prepared himself for a Christiam martyrdom, but when he arrived at their cabins his treatment suddenly changed. To his astonishment, the reivers returned his property and promised to restore his freedom on one condition: that he preach a hellfire and damnation sermon, which he readily agreed to.
He wrote that he packed his saddlebags with prayerbooks and a pint of rum, and "was heavy-loaded like a trooper". Traveling into the interior, he met with a mixed reception. Some settlers welcomed him into their cabins. Others drove him away. One family of Scots-Irish Presbyterians told him that they "wanted no damned black gown s*** of b****** among them" and threatened to use him as a backlog in their fireplace. Others stole his horse, rifled his clothing, and drank his rum.
The climax to his adventures came when he fell into an ambuscade, and was captured by a gang of old-fashioned border reivers. They carried him captive to a settlement where they lived with their women and children. He prepared himself for a Christiam martyrdom, but when he arrived at their cabins his treatment suddenly changed. To his astonishment, the reivers returned his property and promised to restore his freedom on one condition: that he preach a hellfire and damnation sermon, which he readily agreed to.
soninme said:
Speaking of Pentecostal/Charismatic traditions, migrants seem to have brought them here with them!
Robert Witherspoon wrote of a Scottish Holy Fair in 1759 that sounds hardly any different from a tent meeting in early America:
"At the time of the administration of the Lord’s Supper, upon the Thursday, Saturday, and Monday, we have preaching in the fields. Allow me then, to describe it: at first you find a great number of men and women lying upon the grass: here they are sleeping and snoring, some with their faces towards heaven, others with their faces turned downwards, or covered with their bonnets;.…In this assembly there is an odd mixture of religion, sleep, drinking, courtship, and a confusion of sexes, ages and characters. When you get a little nearer the speaker, so as to be within reach of the sound, tho’ not of the sense of his words, for that can reach only a small circle…you will find some weeping and others laughing, some pressing to get nearer the tent in which the parson is sweating, bawling, jumping and beating the desk; others fainting in the stifling heat, or wrestling to extricate themselves from the crowd; one seems very devout and serious , and the next moment is scolding or cursing his neighbors for squeezing or treading on him; in an instant after, his countenance is composed to the religious gloom, and he is groaning, sighing and weeping…"
Here's a new take on the Orange Order (might lighten things up a bit)!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7110457.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7110457.stm
Oh, and while you're at it, you might as well have a look at this too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/5263210.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/5263210.stm