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The Pastor

Originally posted by Hope of Glory:
The major texts (Aleph and B are manuscripts) that omit [EPISKOPOUNTES "overseeing" in 1 Pe. 5:2] are the Tischedndorf, Alford (which includes it in the margin, Westcott-Hort, and the Nestles'-Aland, that I am aware of, right off hand.
One should note that the last two editions of Nestle-Aland include the word in the text. The 27th ed. has it in the text but in brackets indicating some doubt, while the 28th edition (prototype) has it in the text.
 

Hope of Glory

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One should note that the last two editions of Nestle-Aland include the word in the text.
This got me to thinking back to the way the NA changed "Word of God" to "Word of the Lord" in several places, so I did some digging.

The conclusion that I came to is exactly what has been stated here that there are three offices that can be fulfilled by one person or by multiple people.

The pastor is an elder. He's answerable to the elders, but he's the leader. He's ultimately answerable to God.

By being anserable to them, they can remove him. If they are godly, it will be because he's doing something wrong. However, it could also be for wrong reasons, such as fear of running off the big contributors.

The overseer is an elder as well. Since the etymology of the word comes from the idea of one who oversees the business or money of what he's the overseer of, I think it applies to that.

The pastor, or another elder can be the overseer. However, in order to remove himself from even the appearance of the possibility of malfeasance, I think this authority should be an elder other than the pastor.

Elder is a position that can be held by one or by many within a congregation. There can be one person who is the pastor/elder/overseer, or there can be many.

However, a church (little "c") is not a democracy. It's run by the elders who are appointed. How are they appointed? There are several possibilities.

An elder can shepherd (verb) without being the shepherd of the congregation, just as when the word is used to shepherds of physical sheep. They can oversee the congregation without being the overseer. Just as there are different bosses at a job. Your boss may not be the boss.

Government has the same idea, but more coequal. There is one leader who is the leader and can make decisions, but he's answerable to the others.
 

rlvaughn

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Originally posted by Hope of Glory:
RL, I tried to edit the posted name for you, but the board informed me that the time limit to edit had expired. The contents are the same, and the title of the downloaded document is pastor,episkopo,presbuteros.pdf
Hope, I was mainly thinking in terms of your future use of the document, rather than for our benefit. But thanks for trying.
 
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