The planned collapse of America

[NiteShift]

Do you speak arabic? or Farsi? So your really taking the word of someone else? To tell you the truth?

Do you speak Italian? French? Portugese? How do you know that the translations you read are correct?

Were you alive in 1975? Did you know that our country supported both Iraq as well as Iran? Bombs and rockets to Iraq,aircraft to Iran,and in 1980 these two countries were at war with one another.

I am aware that the US supported Iraq in some ways during the Iran/Iraq war. Do you think that may have been because the Iranians took our embassy people hostage in 1979??

The US has not sold any military aircraft to Iran since 1979. That would be before the Iran/Iraq war began. Comprende?

We are in Iraq because this war was planned many,many years ago...just as ww11 was ,and all other wars this nation has ever been involved in....to think otherwise is idiotic.

Well, you are certainly welcome to believe that if you want to. Could do without your idea that anyone who disagrees with you is idiotic though.

 

[poncho]

I am aware that the US supported Iraq in some ways during the Iran/Iraq war. Do you think that may have been because the Iranians took our embassy people hostage in 1979??

Then you are also aware that before 1979 "we" overthrew the Iranian government by using a campaign of false flag terrorism to install a "friendly" dictator. You don't suppose that might have riled up the Iranians a tad bit and helped to turn them against "us" do you? And by "some way" do you mean selling him chemical precursors that he made weapons with and allegedly used on "his own people"..."we' still supported him even after that.

To refresh your memory a little. False flag terrorism is...performing a terrorist act and blaming it on others. "We" have done this all over the globe. Ain't "we" just and righteous?

 

[NiteShift]

(By The New York Times), WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 -- Three of the men identified as the hijackers in the attacks on Tuesday have the same names as alumni of American military schools, the authorities said today. The men were identified as Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz al-Omari and Saeed al-Ghamdi.

The Defense Department said Mr. Atta had gone to the International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama; Mr. al-Omari to the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas; and Mr. al-Ghamdi to the Defense Language Institute at the Presidio in Monterey, Calif.

SOURCE

What a coincidence.

They were similar names. As the article points out, it was mistaken identity since those Saudis who took military training in the US are still alive, and did not crash into the WTC.

 

[JustChristian]

Does anyone have any real proof that the 19 terrorists identified by the U.S. government actually were involved at all? Oh, there was the pristine passport of one of them that was found on the streets of NYC which survived the plane hitting the WTC and burning so intensely that the building came down. Then there were the airplane loading video's which didn't have the required date and time on them. Who has proof that we didn't just "round up the usual suspects" as in Casablanca? It is correct that five of those accused have been found to be alive and well in the MidEast.

 

[NiteShift]

And by "some way" do you mean selling him chemical precursors that he made weapons with and allegedly used on "his own people"..."we' still supported him even after that.

Our support consisted mainly in providing satellite images, and Saddam got less than 1% of his military imports from the US.


As for his chemical suppliers, look at the graphic below.

 

[NiteShift]

Does anyone have any real proof that the 19 terrorists identified by the U.S. government actually were involved at all?

The Hijackers buy their tickets, Page 70 - 75 - LINK

The Hijackers check in - Page 7, Pg 18, Pg 27, Pg 35 - LINK

Saudi officials admit that 15 of the hijackers were Saudi citizens - LINK

 

[betterthanideserve]

NiteShift]Do you speak Italian? French? Portugese? How do you know that the translations you read are correct?

Because they are in ENGLISH which I both speak and comprehend.comprende?

I am aware that the US supported Iraq in some ways during the Iran/Iraq war. Do you think that may have been because the Iranians took our embassy people hostage in 1979??

In some ways? I'm talking BEFORE the war,comprende?

The US has not sold any military aircraft to Iran since 1979. That would be before the Iran/Iraq war began. Comprende?

I feel much better now,,,,,,NOT

Well, you are certainly welcome to believe that if you want to. Could do without your idea that anyone who disagrees with you is idiotic though.

[/QUOTE]That is up to you . I choose not to.

 

[poncho]

Hey, if this sweetens yer coffee, just curl up with yer good ole comforter and "conspire" yer life away. It ain't worth the effort to me to constantly respond to yer drivel.

Touched a nerve huh? Sounds like yer starting to unravel from the pressure caused by thinking up cutsie replies to avoid a real debate. :laugh:

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

I'm not praying here I'm debating and yer running away. :laugh:

The bolded portions fit yer constant crisis chirping to a "tee"!

At least my chirping is filled with facts. Just by the way yer responding shows yer running out the cutsie talking points the republicans and democrats have to make up for all Y'all to endlessly parrot on about forever. That is exactly what Goering was talking about. And exactly what most of you have been doing this past seven years.

Just don't flatter yerself that yer are so adept at debate(?) that ignoring you translates into yer superior intellect dominating the discussion. If yer want to believe this, fine, just don't try to take it to the bank.

OH NO! I miss ya already! oh please please please come back and repeat the governments propaganda for me one more time. Please please please?

Oh, just for the record, yer DID notice that my post made NO allegations as to the intended target---apparently yer felt that the "shoe fit" pretty good!

So now yer targeting me amigo? Well, in that case in the words of our fearless leader...."bring it on!" Just bring some facts back with ya to debate with instead of balogna this around.

Considering yer posting expertise, this is one dude that yer won't have the opportunity to "back into the corner" again, as I'm outta here!

Run little fraid run! Big fraid is gonna get ya!

 

[poncho]

Our support consisted mainly in providing satellite images, and Saddam got less than 1% of his military imports from the US.


As for his chemical suppliers, look at the graphic below.

How many gallons of nerve gas or whatever could Saddam make from our "one percent"? 50? 500? 5000? 50,000? 500,000? How many ounces does it take to kill several hundred people? The botton line here is that "we helped to bring a dictator on the world stage, we wet nursed him provided him with funding and gave him the go ahead to attack his neighbors. Ain't "we" special" considering this was the heart of "our" foreign policy anywhere in the world. Backing dictators and arming insurgents. Dealing drugs to buy guns for insurgents when the congress wouldn't fork over taxpayer money to buy them. And what happened to the criminals that were involved in all that? They got promotions! That in itself is a sad statement of the way this system works now. The criminals get the benefits and you and I have to pay.

But beside all that this thread isn't about our late great sock puppets.

 

[TomVols]

I guess the Bin Laden videos claiming responsibility are NeoCon forgeries.

Need proof the drug war is failing? Read the posts on here

 

[poncho]

I guess the Bin Laden videos claiming responsibility are NeoCon forgeries.

Now I know why there's a drug war. People are obviously under some interesting influences :laugh:

You make this too easy.
:sleeping_2:

We all know the neocons would never stoop to using fake evidence or even forged documents for that matter to get the war they wanted since, well since they got "mugged by reality"...don't we now. They were called the crazies back then you know.

http://www.iraqfact.com/Niger_docs.html

 

[TomVols]

No wonder we can't get Bin laden...the NeoCons have too many imposters out there making fake videos and putting them on Al Jezeera :laugh: Where's Waldo is a piece of cake :laugh:

 

[poncho]

No wonder we can't get Bin laden...the NeoCons have too many imposters out there making fake videos and putting them on Al Jezeera :laugh: Where's Waldo is a piece of cake :laugh:

So how does one stay clueless in the information age anyways? What's yer secret? We can't get him for two reasons. 1) The neocons need a boogeyman now that the the USSR is gone to increase defense spending for their friends and busniess partners (Eisenhower warned us about the MIC) and the second reason is he's dead. Even Bhutto said he was dead. His resurected name is Usama Bin Lazarus.

Btw, it's been seven years now and he still hasn't even been indicted for the crime of 9/11. You'd think he would have been by now if they had any credible evidence of his involment at all. But the FBI says it has "no hard evidence". Apparently your famous hollywood admission video of the fat right handed Bin Laden isn't credible enough to even secure an indictment.

Yuk yuk yuk. Do your research amatuer. :laugh:

 

[NiteShift]

Because they are in ENGLISH which I both speak and comprehend.comprende?

Very good. If we read a translation from Italian, French, or whatever, it’s because someone has translated it into English for us. Same with Arabic. But according to you, we should not trust the translation that was originally Arabic. I don't see the logic.

In some ways? I'm talking BEFORE the war,comprende?

You are correct. Before the revolution in Iran, and before they took our embassy personnel hostage, we did sell them military aircraft. Afterwards we did not. And so according to you, this is an indictment of the US, a sign of bad behavior. Just how escapes me, but if you’re happy.

 

[NiteShift]

How many gallons of nerve gas or whatever could Saddam make from our "one percent"? 50? 500? 5000? 50,000? 500,000?

The one percent refers to all military hardware sold to Iraq by the US, not 1 percent of his chemicals. He was able to legally buy dual use chemicals all over the world, as you can see.

The botton line here is that "we helped to bring a dictator on the world stage, we wet nursed him provided him with funding and gave him the go ahead to attack his neighbors.

Saddam managed to come to power in Iraq without any help at all from the US. He participated in the 1958 overthrowing of King Faisal, the 1959 attempt to assassinate Gen. Qassim, the 1963 Baathist revolution. And so on until he gained control. We had nothing to do with it.

Ain't "we" special" considering this was the heart of "our" foreign policy anywhere in the world. Backing dictators and arming insurgents.

Yes, well when you find that perfect nation, that heaven on earth that has never practiced any deceit and is pure as driven snow, let us all know. Maybe Iran, Venezuela, Senegal or the like would suit your purpose.

 

[NiteShift]

Yuk yuk yuk. Do your research amatuer. :laugh:

Yeah Tom, bone up on Lew Rockwell, Alex Jones, Paul Craig Roberts and the rest. They'll have you up to speed in a no time, in 5 easy lessons. You too can warn us of the nuclear bombs Bush is going to explode off the east coast, or the concentration camps he's about to throw us all into, or how he personally directed planes be flown into the WTC. It'll be a great hobby. Impress your friends!

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

Yeah Tom, bone up on Lew Rockwell, Alex Jones, Paul Craig Roberts and the rest.

IIRC, Rockwell isn't conspiratorial in the least. IIRC.

 

[NiteShift]

IIRC, Rockwell isn't conspiratorial in the least. IIRC.

Maybe not, but writers that he features are. The Bush-wants-to-control-the-oilfields-and-it's-for-Israel bunch.

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

Maybe not, but writers that he features are. The Bush-wants-to-control-the-oilfields-and-it's-for-Israel bunch.

It's debatable that we want Iraq's oil? Greenspan doesn't think so. Neither does National Review (I trust you're familiar with the most widely circulated conservative publication in the States) in their response to Greenspan entitled, "What's Your Problem?"

ETA: the link has evidently expired but you can purchase the September '07 issue if you really want the cite, NiteShift. FWIW, very revealing (and rare) admission from the some of the nation's leading neoconservative ideologues.

 

[betterthanideserve]

Very good. If we read a translation from Italian, French, or whatever, it’s because someone has translated it into English for us

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The fact is it is simple logic since neither one of us speak farsi,although I am currently learning it via Rossetta Stone,we have to "according to Gods word ""let God be true and every man a liar".Pretty sound instructions really when you take into consideration that we are living in the last days.

I don't see the logic

.This is not my fault study harder.:BangHead:




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