The Pope & divorced women

Then let's make them national headlines. What's good for the goose.......

I wholeheartedly agree. But when pastor Joe Blow of Hole-in-the-wall Baptist Church is caught with a high school girl, that ain't news. But when Father John Q Public of St Elswehere Parish does likewise, it's news. Not to say it's right, it just seems to be the way it is.

I'm glad the RCC is cleaning up what should have been cleaned up long ago, and I'm glad RCC folks are the first to speak up about it (at least in my area). But the rest of us should do likewise.

But likewise as well, I don't hold every priest responsible for the actions of others, just as I don't hold every AOG Pastor responsible for, for example, the sins of Jimmy Swaggart.

 

Do you think John Paul II would turn his eyes away from a priest who was guilty of such an offense?

If the priest is not apprehended, disciplined, suspended or otherwise denied his faculties as a priest, he certainly can do those things, including saying Mass, hearing confessions and the other sacradotal duties of a priest.

But just imagine his groveling before Almighty God as he faces HIM in such a grave offense.....

Silly? No, a grave offense perpetuated in the Church if such was to happen in full knowledge of this offending priest's sin to his ordinary (his bishop.)

Tis a shame that such priests have been suspended, given psychological treatment and council and was "forgiven" in the confessional, only to have his do it again..........(concuring with the advice given to non-church professionals that such an individual has been cured.)

Thank God that such priests are in the great minority, most priests being good holy men who live up to their vows and avoid such sins.....just like our Protestant clergy would do as well.

I won't do that, Bro. Curtis. I will simply pray for you that somehow, someway, you can also pray for such persons who commit such these terrible things that happens in my church, just I would pray for the individual minister or ministers of non-Catholic churches wo do likewise. They exist, you know..........

We are all sinners and we all fall short of the glory of God, Brp. Curtis. And that certainly includes me as well.

Do you actually think that John Paul II has not addressed these issues, sir? Or shall I take your reply to mean that His Holiness would approve of such conduct? What would you have him to do that would satisfy you in this matter?

I will pray for your mother, sir...............

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+


Lord, grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things that I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time,
enjoying one moment at a time;
accepting hardship as a pathway to peace;
taking, as Jesus did, this sinful world as it is,
not as I would have it;
trusting that you will make all things right
if I surrender to Your will;
so that I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with You forever in the next.
Amen.

 

Hey all,

You guys have this out of line.

Anyone who takes communion while in unconfessed mortal sin (adultry, child abuse, anything like that) commits another mortal sin. You are not to take communion while in mortal sin. That goes for priests too.

HOWEVER, if there is an unrepentant priest, who, for instance, has broken his vow of chastity, but still performs his duties at the Mass, when HE receives communion, he is putting himself into further sin, but because of his personal sin, we do not believe it somehow taints the sacrament for EVERYONE ELSE who is eligible to receive. His personal sin does not infect the sacrament for others. Get it?

A priest in mortal sin needs to confess it; he is under the same restrictions any Catholic layperson is. However, again, if he does not confess it, and continues to administer the sacrament, he is harming himself further, but he is not harming the congregation. Understand? Curtis, you have made this out to be something it is absolutely not.

God bless,

Grant

 

Just thought I would quote this, for those who in folly said early in this thread that the pope just makes stuff up at whime...

From the article this is based around...

"John Paul's crackdown regarding communion, while breaking no new ground,"

Exactly. This is not a new teaching. This is a cracking down on old teaching. I know of a priest who gives communion to divorced people, as well as other liturgical abuses, and I have been considering writing the bishop over it. There are abuses. John Paul is doing his job and cracking down on the abuse. It's not some new thing.

God bless,

Grant

 

Hi thessalonian! So sorry it took me so long to get back with you!

I just wanted to let you know, I stand on the word of God.

And if a Baptist leader were doing this, I would feel the same way as I do about a Catholic Priest.


Good try, tho.
Sherrie

 

Curtis,

As for the priest who remarried your mother...

Just as if I go to confession, and confess a sin that I am NOT sorry for, and the priest pronounces the Lord's forgiveness....I am not forgiven, because I was not really sorry for it. I was, in essence, trying to cheat the system. Contrition is necessary for the sacrament to be valid.

In the same case, anyone who has had a civil divorce is not released from the sacramental bond of marriage (unless, via the annulment process, the Church determines that the original sacrament, for one reason or another, was not valid). Therefore, regardless of what words the priest said, the sacrament was not validly achieved because your mother is still married to your father. So when it is now said that she is not validly married to the new person, that is the case, and has always been the case. It is incredibly sad and unfortunate that a priest allowed this to happen, as there is no logical excuse I can think of to explain it.

Regardless, unless there is more information that I am missing, he was in the wrong in performing a second sacrament of matrimony.

God bless,

Grant

 

I just wanted to let you know, I stand on the word of God.

And if a Baptist leader were doing this, I would feel the same way as I do about a Catholic Priest.


Good try, tho.
Sherrie </font>[/QUOTE]I am still confused as to what your stand is. Is it consistent with everyone else who would use the same words that you used above? If not then you must be the infallible interpruter. So what is a pastor all about if it is you and your bible? Are they just someone spouting opinions up front of the Church? Do you ever have to obey them?

 

Brother Curtis,

Have I answered your questions or comments? You're posting on other threads, so I know you're around, but you let this one fall to the wayside.

God bless,

Grant