The Pope Says Don't Do THIS on Sundays

Not a few Protestant churches offer Saturday worship options as well. I fail to understand the big deal; one either agrees with the Pope that worship is important or one does not. Such ancillaries as day of worship are at best secondary.

 

I don't care what the Pope says. He is irrelevant to Christianity.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I don't care what the Pope says. He is irrelevant to Christianity.

Diane Tavegia

 

Not according to the last couple of millenia of Christian history. Like it or no, his opinion counts to a lot of people.

 

I didn't say it didn't count to a lot of people. I said it was irrelevant to Christianity.

Joseph Botwinick

 

When I was living in the Phila. area there was a Catholic Church near me (Our Lady of Perpetual Help) that had Monte Carlo every Sunday afternoon. Kind of a secular diversion dont ya think?

 

So, using that logic, is the opinion of Jerry Falwell and whoever it is that's heading up the SBC this year.

 

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I don't understand this at all. Aren't we free to observe holy days, Sabbaths ect. or not to. Col 2:13:17 I thought we were saved by grace, not of works. Eph 2:8,9 I thought Christ was the fulfillment of the law. Ga 3:24 I thought that with Christ came a new covenant. Je 31:31/ He 12:24 Saturday is the Sabbath, not Sunday. Sunday is the Lords Day. BTW You can find in the N.T. about every aspect of our worship service being done on the Lords Day.
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Joseph

Though I disagree vehemently with significant portions of Catholic dogma and I don't consider the Pope to be my "spiritual leader", I would still consider his words and actions as being "significant".

Even if it be merely in the spirit of "those who are not against us are with us", I think that the Pope can hardly be called into question when he encourages society to put their mind to higher things for at least one day every week.

 

No, that's not the real question at all. The real question is, are we honoring the spirit of the 4th commandment? One day in seven set aside for worship and rest? For me, I must admit that it's often a hearty "no". </font>[/QUOTE]Think about it.

Your proposal of "What God meant" in the f4th commandment only "works" if Israel was free to worship on "Tuesday" at Sinai in direct rebellion against God who said "tomorrow IS the Sabbath" then you are right - "one day in seven" and "pick any day you like" was the commandment - so long as you keep it holy and sanctified (set apart)".

Since that is "obviously not the case" - your proposal ends before it starts.

So back to the Biblical supportable point - either the 10 commandments remain or they do not. If they do not - then you are free to make up your own 4th commandment "even" to the point of "I pick Tuesday and I watch sports in the afternoon after church".

The issue is really pretty simple.

In Christ,

Bob

 

#1. Sunday is never said to be the Lord's day in scripture. But you are free to worship on Sunday or Tuesday - according to your preference.

#2. The question is -- what about Christ the Creator's own selection a day for a memorial of HiS OWN create work at Creation? Are you free to rebell against it -- are the 10 commandments abolished? If so -- then Tuesday will do as well as Saturday or Sunday. Take your pick - it is all up to you - not God, and keep it however it pleases you best.

#3. The Law of the New Covenent written on the heart - Jer 31:33 is the moral Law of Scripture that defines sin - rebellion vs obedience.

The saints of Heb 11 are not "saved by works" as you seem to think -- they are saved by grace through faith under the ONE and ONLY gospel (Gal 1:6-11). You are preaching "TWO Gospels" -- one for the OT and one for the new -- scripture rejects that idea.

#4. There are "no" "first-day after first-day" services recorded in scripture.

#5. "Weekday1" is not a title of honor - it is the most basic term that can be used for the day. How much better if Acts 20 had used a term like "The Lord's Day" to reference "weekday-1".

NT authors never refer to Christ the Creator's honored memorial of creation - as "weekday7".

In Christ,

Bob

 

IS that kinda like the local Temple Beth Shalom (Reformed Jewish) having bingo nights? The gambling issue aside, they are quite fun events. Not that I would know personally or anything. Uhh, I, er, read it off of a matchbook cover. Yeah, that's it...

 

DOW,

Welcome. I am assuming you are new to the board as I haven't seen your name before. His message may have been noble, but it is irrelevant coming from someone who endorsed and teaches the false doctrines of Mariology and works salvation. Further, I don't think he, or the Cathloic Church in general, have much room to lecture us on anything dealing with morality when, to my knowledge, they still refuse to testify against pedophile priests in courts claiming they are basically above the law, and further, refuse to excommunicate these rapist. For me, it is about moral authority...and they don't seem to have much in my opinion. It is much like the Corrupt oil for food UN lecturing the US on how stingy and immoral we are in dealing with humanitarian projects internationally...they have also become irrelevant.

Joseph Botwinick

 

God did not say that Saturday is the Sabbath Day, or that Sunday is the Sabbath Day. God said to rest of the Sabbath Day. Presuming a literal 6 day creation, and a 7th day of rest, we have no idea which of our days of the week is the actual 7th day. Our 7 day calendar is man-devised. TO require that all CHristians worship and rest on a specific day of the week, whether that's Sunday, Saturday, Tuesday, etc, is legalism, mossing completely the point of the 4th commandment. God created our bodies to require at least one dday of rest a week. Since God is the Great Physician, I will take the doctor's orders. Since Jesus says that the Sabbath is made for man, and not man for the Sabbath, it is there for my benefit, not the other way around. And, since Paul says that we should not be judged by how we keep the sabbath, and that everyone should be convinced in his own mind, the issue of what day the Sabbath really falls upon is a complete nonissue. We Christians have for the most part, as a community, chosen to observe the Sabbath on Sunday. Hence, we should worship and rest on Sunday. However, if there are personal issues that preclude us from doing so on Sunday, there is nothing sinful about doing so on another day of the week. So long as we take one day in seven to rest, we honor the Lord by honoring our bodies, and in doing so, honor the 4th commandment.

 

Why yes I am.

Is it irrelevant if your family doctor tells you that with your heart condition you should be more careful of your diet just because he himself is a smoker.?

As the Pope is the leader of the RCC I don't suspect he was lecturing "us" on anything.

Your knowledge would be incorrect. I believe that for them, barring confessions they hear in a confessional, they are as compelled as any other citizen to appear before the court if supeona'd.

Though I'm no expert on their faith I believe that they believe that the call to the priesthood is a sacramental calling. Therefore, they can't excommunicate the priest. If caught and convicted the priest would simply become a priest who is also a convicted criminal.

Whether or not they have "moral authority" is not the issue. The issue is that this was a very moral statement that God has apparently used the Pope to publically pronounce. I guess I'm just a bit better than you at seperating the message from the messenger. And as fully 2/3 of the christian world respond to the words of the Pope I would say that he therefore becomes a fairly "significant" messenger.

Apples and oranges. The UN was directly chastizing the US for lack of generosity when they were guilty of the same thing. The Pope is making a general statement of faith practice to his Church that he himself (in his own fashion) is willing to back up with action. Whatever you or I feel about his faith practices it is clear that he is quite willing to dedicate his whole being to them.

 

You are correct. The message was to Catholics. It is, however, irrelevant to the Christian world in general as he has no moral authority whatsoever to tell us how we should live. And yes, the message of a doctor warning against the dangers of smoking would indeed be irrelevant if he were sitting there smoking right in front of me. Words do have meaning. But, one's actions mean a lot more.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph, I will be praying for you. I used to think like you are but my eyes were opened by Christ, may yours be the same.

I quote Matthew 7: 13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter it are many. How narrow the gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few.

Peace in Christ,
grace56

 

Grace56, why would you be praying for Joseph?

Joseph said: The message was to Catholics. It is, however, irrelevant to the Christian world in general as he has no moral authority whatsoever to tell us how we should live.

Are you Catholic?