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The Primitive Churches

DaveXR650

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Maybe it’s you that is nuts
Could very well be.
….and I haven’t begun to get crude yet but stay tuned.
Keep it to yourself.
I’ve heard your love of certain Puritans, you stated you like or is it like John Wesley?
Both. And if you read any yourself, you would know that Wesley liked the Puritans too so it probably makes sense.
Are we interrupting a possible love affair with Andrew Fuller now?
No. But he seems sensible and has a good balance so if I see slander I would like to see some reason why. I haven't so far.
As far as I’m concerned you have a very pattern of someone unhinged from reality…
Honestly, I was thinking the same thing about you. When Ky was posting above was he saying that you were not a PB?
so please clarify yourself or take a hike.
You clearly cannot contribute anything meaningful. You just insult and progressively get nastier. That seems to be a pattern with you. What I would like to know from you is do you have any real connection to Primitive Baptist churches or is this baloney. You don't seem to know what you are talking about.
 

Martin Marprelate

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But seriously, what is the definition of a Reprobate? Let’s just dive into the “MARROW” of the matter. First, do we understand the Doctrine of Total Depravity (and did Andrew Fuller believe in it.
I'm not sure who 'we' are here. I understand it and Fuller most certainly understood it; that all men are fallen in every respect, and they will not receive the Gospel unless God opens their hearts to do so.
Indeed, Fuller claimed himself a Calvinist, so what was his gripe with the Doctrine's of Grace?
Fuller did not have a gripe with the Doctrines of Grace; he absolutely believed in them.
Where did he get the is beliefs and then promote them to Calvinist churches? What must the faithful members of those churches must have thought… God, does that get factored in?
Fuller got his beliefs from reding the Bible, and also the works of Jonathan Edwards and various Particular Baptists like Benjamin Keach and John Bunyan. As I have said, he challenged his opponents to show Hyper-Calvinist teaching in Baptist churches before 1700. No ne could do so. He was not alone in this; he joined with other Particular Baptists like William Carey, John Sutcliffe, Samuel Pearce and John Ryland the younger. Together, they were instrumental in bringing about the Second Great Awakening in Britain between 1780 and 1820. Carey, of course, went to India as a missionary and became the spiritual ancestor of the 67 million or so Indian Christians today.
The large majority of the churches were revitalized by the preaching of these men, and many new churches were planted. Inevitably, there were some who took a different view, but most Hyper-Calvinist churches have died out in Britain, leaving just a tiny rump of 'Gospel Standard' churches today.

Now, listen up. Look at John 6:37.
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me........" There is your Calvinism, your predestination. God the Father has given to the Son a vast crowd of guilty sinners to redeem, and He will save every one of them (John 6:39; 17:2). But there's more.
".....And the one who comes to Me, I will by no means cast out.' Everyone who comes to the Lord in repentance and faith will be saved; everyone! So we are commanded to preach the Gospel to every creature (Mark 16:16). We are commanded to plead with and implore sinners to come to Christ (2 Cor. 5:20). Why? Because God will have it so. 'For since in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the word preached to save those who believe' (1 Cor. 1:23)

Now, there is a preaching that should only be done by those gifted to do it. But there is a Greek word laleo which means to talk or to chat, and this word is translated as 'preach' several times in the KJV and NKJV. This is a 'preaching that can and should be done by all. If you read Acts 11:19-21, you will see that ordinary Christians chatted about the Gospel, at first only to Jews, but then to others also, and that was how the great missionary church in Antioch was founded.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Could very well be.

Keep it to yourself.

Both. And if you read any yourself, you would know that Wesley liked the Puritans too so it probably makes sense.

No. But he seems sensible and has a good balance so if I see slander I would like to see some reason why. I haven't so far.

Honestly, I was thinking the same thing about you. When Ky was posting above was he saying that you were not a PB?

You clearly cannot contribute anything meaningful. You just insult and progressively get nastier. That seems to be a pattern with you. What I would like to know from you is do you have any real connection to Primitive Baptist churches or is this baloney. You don't seem to know what you are talking about.
I certainly do
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I'm not sure who 'we' are here. I understand it and Fuller most certainly understood it; that all men are fallen in every respect, and they will not receive the Gospel unless God opens their hearts to do so.

Fuller did not have a gripe with the Doctrines of Grace; he absolutely believed in them.

Fuller got his beliefs from reding the Bible, and also the works of Jonathan Edwards and various Particular Baptists like Benjamin Keach and John Bunyan. As I have said, he challenged his opponents to show Hyper-Calvinist teaching in Baptist churches before 1700. No ne could do so. He was not alone in this; he joined with other Particular Baptists like William Carey, John Sutcliffe, Samuel Pearce and John Ryland the younger. Together, they were instrumental in bringing about the Second Great Awakening in Britain between 1780 and 1820. Carey, of course, went to India as a missionary and became the spiritual ancestor of the 67 million or so Indian Christians today.
The large majority of the churches were revitalized by the preaching of these men, and many new churches were planted. Inevitably, there were some who took a different view, but most Hyper-Calvinist churches have died out in Britain, leaving just a tiny rump of 'Gospel Standard' churches today.

Now, listen up. Look at John 6:37.
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me........" There is your Calvinism, your predestination. God the Father has given to the Son a vast crowd of guilty sinners to redeem, and He will save every one of them (John 6:39; 17:2). But there's more.
".....And the one who comes to Me, I will by no means cast out.' Everyone who comes to the Lord in repentance and faith will be saved; everyone! So we are commanded to preach the Gospel to every creature (Mark 16:16). We are commanded to plead with and implore sinners to come to Christ (2 Cor. 5:20). Why? Because God will have it so. 'For since in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the word preached to save those who believe' (1 Cor. 1:23)

Now, there is a preaching that should only be done by those gifted to do it. But there is a Greek word laleo which means to talk or to chat, and this word is translated as 'preach' several times in the KJV and NKJV. This is a 'preaching that can and should be done by all. If you read Acts 11:19-21, you will see that ordinary Christians chatted about the Gospel, at first only to Jews, but then to others also, and that was how the great missionary church in Antioch was founded.
I’m not affiliated with any missionary church but if you or anyone wants to go proselytize go right ahead. we serve those who are the elect, the children of God and that is my concern that that would spread to other places. Since many demoniational churches are failing and can’t even support missinary endeavors, we are very happy to help out. I’m particularly Interested in the New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania area where we can grow our communities
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I’m not affiliated with any missionary church but if you or anyone wants to go proselytize go right ahead. we serve those who are the elect, the children of God and that is my concern that that would spread to other places. Since many demoniational churches are failing and can’t even support missinary endeavors, we are very happy to help out. I’m particularly Interested in the New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania area where we can grow our communities
Just planting seeds, planting seeds LOL
 
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