The REAL Jack Hyles

[MikeinGhana]

Eighteen pages on this subject? Isn't this quite enough? A lot of good points have been made. Ultimately, each one of us will give account of himself, and his ministry God has entrusted to him. Some are 30 mfold, some 60, and some 100 fold Christian soulwiners. Just get busy and and reach your potential.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

This thread only has a few posts left in its lifespan. Cut off is 20 pages.

 

[ccrobinson]

Originally posted by HACgrad:
How do they baptize so many people? Very creatively. The new auditorium has two baptistries, one for men, one for women. They baptize one immediately after the other with several men in each baptistry helping to move people in and out of position efficiently. At or around 12:30 every Sunday morning the service is dismissed even though baptisms continue.

In addition there are FAR more than 3 services per week on the FBC Hammond campus. The church owns dozens of buildings within a several block area of downtown Hammond. After the "main" church service there are other services conducted throughout the afternoon. Dozens of services are conducted every Sunday.

Excellent. These are the kinds of answers I was looking for. With multiple baptistries and baptisms continuing after the service, I can easily envision FBC realistically hitting the 25,000 mark for a year

This is what I know... because again, I took the time to visit and SEE what was going on, rather than simply conjecture and throw my uneducated opinion around.

I'll thank you to not rip me for not going to FBC and SEE what was going on. The ministries I'm in are at my local church and I need to be faithful to them every service. You have ties to FBC and can answer the questions. You have provided the answers I was looking for. Why not leave it at that?

As to the "quality" of those baptisms?

I'm not questioning the quality of anything. I was questioning the ability to baptize 25,000 people in one year. You've answered that question.

... how many people will you "add" to your church this year?

Not 25,000. We're not big enough to able to afford a bus ministry like FBC can, and we don't have a Chicagoland area to draw people from. It has nothing to do with our desire to see people saved.

Based on what you've told me about the facilities, number of services, and alluded to the length of time spent baptizing, I'm happy to say that my speculation about the 25,000 baptisms in a year goal was wrong. Next.

 

[ccrobinson]

Originally posted by bapmom:
ccrobinson,

thank you so much for being willing to just talk. Ive asked that same question about which doctrinal problems there are, and I couldn't seem to get an answer beyond the normal vitriol.

I honestly wanted to know, because then I can make my own judgements.

THanks again!

You bet.

There are, of course, many other allegations made against Dr. Hyles for past actions. I believe these actions are the largest reason for the vitriol. I've read that material for myself and I believe it to be true. Very sad that those kinds of things happened in any church.

I am very sincere in saying that I hope Dr. Schaap is leading FBC past those days. I think it's going to take a very long time, if ever, for many IFBers to embrace FBC again, if they ever did in the first place. I can't blame them and I myself am cautiously optimistic.

 

[jarhed]

HAC Grad. Do you know Alan R. or Joe A?????

 

[HACgrad]

Sorry jarhead, can't say that I know either of those names.

 

[jarhed]

Just wondering, they were there about the same time as yourself. God Bless, Jarhed

 

[rozy]

Originally posted by 4His_glory:
Hello HAC grad,

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> As an HAC grad I find it interesting that so many people have so many opinions about a man that in many cases, they never met. I was directly under his ministry for 8 years and have been influenced by his ministry in one way or the other for most of my life.

One does not need to meet some one in order to understand what they teach and their philosophies.

Do I worship the man? No... of course not. Why not? Because he taught me that I should only worship God.

Well I'm glad for that.

I understand why some of you preacher's despise the man so much. He enjoyed more success than you can even dream of so why not try to tear him down?

No you don't understand why we disagree with Jack Hyles, in fact if this what you believe you haven't got a clue. We don't think that man-centered, ego-inflating, numbers oriented minstiries are biblical, but rather harm the cause of Christ.

I hope to God that I never am "sucessful" like Jack Hyles was, I would rather glorify and exalt Christ.

Some of you that attack his doctrine so eloquently should put more effort into propogating your version of the truth than in tearing down his. Then you might enjoy some success of your own and know that you did some good with your ministry.

We don't attack his doctrine, we simply proclaim the truth of Scripture and how it is contrary to many things that he blieved. As far as sucess goes again, you have a very warped view of sucess. I can say bibliclaly that I believe C4K's ministry in Ireland, though it may be small, is far more sucessfull in God's eyes than the man-centered Finney influnced ministry of Jack Hyles. You have no right in judging our ministries when you haven't even seen them. Whereas Mr. Hyles ministry is well observable to all.


It is this type of attitude that I have seen coming from the ministry of HAC that I believe is more detrimental to the Kingdom of Christ than good. </font>[/QUOTE]Comparing the success of a ministry? Huh? Is this the twilight zone?

I wonder how God is not glorified by the conversion of souls? Be it 1 or thousands?

 

[Paul33]

The truth is, all any of us can do is share the gospel message. The Holy Spirit must bring regeneration, repentance and faith.

We preach the good news; God regenerates the lost soul.

 

[MikeinGhana]

Still going and going and going!