The real reason for the movement of removing God out of this society.

[Jailminister]

Scott E said:

Spend the time that you do in protesting the Moore saga and abortion clinics and work one-on-one with the hurting and lost world, and they will get a very, very clear idea of Christianity.

For your information I spend 2 nights a week in jail doing exactly as you said. I minister to their families and them doing the week also. I write letters to the editors, I stand on street corners, I deal with people one on one everyday. I teach my family about Jesus and how to live a fruitful life for Him and it has worked. I do those things and also stand against injustice and immorality. In that last 3 years I have been involved with over 600 people making a decision for Christ. I am doing my job. What about you?

Gunther said:

You are correct in your assessment of me. Folks like me who give the priority to the gospel create confusion. I know, I know.

I further the confusion by saying that you cannot legislate morality.

I even further that confusion by saying that in the end, the unsaved pagan and the unsaved moralist are both going to hell.

I even further that already gross confusion by insisting that believers obey the law of the land UNLESS ONE IS COMMANDED TO SIN.

For all of the above, I offer no apology.

Turn off Dobson and Kennedy and open up Paul and Peter and John.

Yes you are confused. Every law on the books legislate morality. Now a person can murder, but the law says it is wrong. All laws are centered around the 10 Commandments. GET THAT, ALL.

Obey the law of the land, humm. Which ones. The one on legalized slavery, the ones on allowing discrimnation based on race, the ones on legalize babykilling, the ones on taxation without representation. Be sure to obey them all. You are confused.

PS I don't listen to Dobson and rarely hear anything from Kennedy. In fact I have never run into to them on the streets or in the jails.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Jailminister:
For your information I spend 2 nights a week in jail doing exactly as you said. I minister to their families and them doing the week also. I write letters to the editors, I stand on street corners, I deal with people one on one everyday. I teach my family about Jesus and how to live a fruitful life for Him and it has worked. I do those things and also stand against injustice and immorality. In that last 3 years I have been involved with over 600 people making a decision for Christ. I am doing my job. What about you?

That's great! Now, think about how much more you could do if you continued to work one-on-one with people instead of holding up a sign.

 

[Pete Richert]

Sorry, didn't see the second page

 

[Pete Richert]

Obey the law of the land, humm. Which ones. The one on legalized slavery, the ones on allowing discrimnation based on race, the ones on legalize babykilling, the ones on taxation without representation. Be sure to obey them all. You are confused.

I think Gunther adequatly answered this and you even quoted him, but I will quote him again so you can read it.

...obey the law of the land UNLESS ONE IS COMMANDED TO SIN.

He even put it in bold for you. I will post it two more times just to make sure you see it.

obey the law of the land UNLESS ONE IS COMMANDED TO SIN.

obey the law of the land UNLESS ONE IS COMMANDED TO SIN.

 

[Jailminister]

Scott said

That's great! Now, think about how much more you could do if you continued to work one-on-one with people instead of holding up a sign.

Both can be done. Both can be productive.

Pete repeated:

obey the law of the land UNLESS ONE IS COMMANDED TO SIN.

While this sounds nice to say, it is not true. You implication is false. We can stand up against evil of the state when it conflicts with God. It is not sin. To do nothing is a sin, so just keep on doing nothing.

 

[Brett]

ALL laws are centred around the Ten Commandments? I grant you that the important ones are, but I can't seem to find the commandment that says "Thou shalt not go more than 60 km/h on Warman Road".

 

[Pete Richert]

So it is a sin NOT to have the ten commandments posted in the Alabama Capital Building? Then the other 49 states must be in grave sin RIGHT NOW. I expect you down in Austin prompto to start declaring the hersesy of not having this monument posted at the entrance. You care about Alabama but have allowed your own state to fall into apostacy!

 

[Jailminister]

Pete states:

So it is a sin NOT to have the ten commandments posted in the Alabama Capital Building? Then the other 49 states must be in grave sin RIGHT NOW. I expect you down in Austin prompto to start declaring the hersesy of not having this monument posted at the entrance. You care about Alabama but have allowed your own state to fall into apostacy!

We do have the 10 Commandments poste in Austin.
Most other states have some form of them also.
That is why this Judge Thompson is out of control. He is a hold over from the Carter administration and it is time for him to go.

 

[Pete Richert]

My mistake. Where in the Capital building are the ten commandments posted?

 

[Wisdom Seeker]

I was going to ask when the above was written, but I see that it was written in 1976.

1976...The year of the United States bicentenial. I was in Junior High School. Life was simple...life was good.

Sorry...I don't think the above has any more relevance today than it did 30 years ago.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by SheEagle:
Madeline Murray O'Hare

Who's been dead for years

Roe v Wade

Which was for the SCOTUS a privacy issue, not an abortion issue. I disagree with the precepts of current abortion laws, but I do agree that it should be consistent between states.

The recent Sodomy case in Texas - a clear violation of States Rights.

Which was a privacy issue. I would no more agree with localized sodomy laws than I would with localized idolatry laws. They're both sins, but when in private, they're matters of individual liberty.

The Rights of States are being continually eroded away by those who choose to legislate from the Judiciary.

Perhaps it's because States often attempt to take into their hands power which is not prescribed.

 

[LadyEagle]

Once again, Johnv, no surprise. You missed my point.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Johnv:
Perhaps it's because States often attempt to take into their hands power which is not prescribed.

Well, why don't we take the 10th amendment and tear it out of the federal constitution and throw it in the trash can - and the rest of the Constitution while we are at it.

It's clear it doesn't mean anything anymore - judges can just make rulings up as they go without even reading the federal constitution.

And why don't we just eliminate the States. It's clear that many people don't consider they have the rights and powers left to them by the federal constitution. That way we can eliminate all state and local taxes. Just have everything be a federal tax. Just have everything - such as the government schools and universities, the highways, etc. - run from Washington, D.C. Then we will no longer have the current richer States with better government services than the current poorer States.

Let's just nationalize the whole ball of wax! Just let Leviathan handle it all and make all of the decisions.

 

[Elnora]

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gunther:
In the Magna Carta, which the then leader of the government signed into law, the Law became king, not the king.

In other words, the kings authority is under the Law and not vice versa.

A very good case can be made that this is exactly the problem in Alabama. The law is the authority, not the lawyers. The court's responsibility is to uphold the law. In this case, they seem to have failed. When the 1st amendment says that Congress shall make no law, that means "no law." When they make a law regarding religion, they have violated the constitution. When a judge interprets a law in such a manner, they have violated the constitution. Secondly, the federal government is prohibited by the 10th amendment from interfering in matters not expresslyl granted to it in the constitution. In other words, in the state of Alabama in this matter, the federal government has no standing.

That constitution is king and it says "no law." Justice Moore seems well within the constitution when he argues that "no law" means "no law." This is a matter for the state of Alabama, who seems to have already spoken on this matter, both in their own constitution and in the public free election of Justice Moore to the bench.

Someone asked earlier if the state of Alabama could appoint a state religion. Based on the facts existing at the time of the writing of the constitution, we should say Yes, they could. It seems there were several states at the signing of the constitution that had official state churches. The men who wrote and signed the constitution, then sent it out for ratification knew this and accepted it. Their target was the federal government. States had their own governments. The expanding power of the federal government is increasing problemmatic constitutionally. They are stepping in areas where they have no constitutional standing. </font>[/QUOTE]And there ya have it!

 

[Elnora]

An interesting interview with Alan Keys on this subject.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95443,00.html

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Wisdom Seeker:
I was going to ask when the above was written, but I see that it was written in 1976.

1976...The year of the United States bicentenial. I was in Junior High School. Life was simple...life was good.

Sorry...I don't think the above has any more relevance today than it did 30 years ago.

Amen Sister Wisdom Seeker -- Preach it!

1976 is the year that i started my
current employment. Wow, 27 years of
workin' fo' da man

BTW, can anybody tell me how i can get
SUSPENDED WITH PAY? I could make half again
as much continuning my pay as taking
retirement

 

[Jailminister]

Yes I tell you how to get suspended and recieve your pay also. Do what is right and legal, but it goes against the grain of an out of control society. You may get suspended but they will be afraid of a law suit, so they will pay you.

humm, sounds familar.

 

[HankD]

Hmm, all this halabaloo about Judge Moore brings to mind a Scripture:

John 7:12
And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.

HankD

 

[Sherrie]

Oh Hank! That is so good!

Sherrie