The Reformation?????

[Adonia]

In order to have a "Reformation", there must be something to reform from, so what was that "something"? Was it the Baptist Church of Europe? Nope. How about the Wesleyan Church? Not that one either. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? That makes it 0 for 3. The Presbyterian Church? I don't think so. The Anglican Church? Most likely not. How about that good ole favorite - the Jehovah's Witnesses? Nah, not really.

But wait, I think I have it. I think it could be only be one of two. That would be either: 1. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, whose Bishop was in Rome. or 2. The Eastern Orthodox Church whose Bishop was based in Constantinople. Now since the 11th century when the Eastern Orthodox Church went their own way, that leaves but one that existed from the beginning and that is, yep, I think I have it - The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church based in Rome, the church started by Jesus Christ and led by the Bishop appointed by him, St. Peter.

So there we have it folks, the church known as the Roman Catholic Church, the church from which the renegade priest Martin Luther came from.

 

[JonC]

We call it the "Reformation" but perhaps revival is more appropriate. Those involved in t his movement of God were not Catholic (they became "apostate" because of their faith).

But more than that it was a movement which begun before Luther and would grow into the Protestant movement (incorporating non-Catholic faiths...i.e., Anabaptists....).

Without the Reformation the "radicall reformation" would not have occurred.

 

[BobRyan]

In order to have a "Reformation", there must be something to reform from, so what was that "something"? Was it the Baptist Church of Europe? Nope. How about the Wesleyan Church? Not that one either. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? That makes it 0 for 3. The Presbyterian Church? I don't think so. The Anglican Church? Most likely not. How about that good ole favorite - the Jehovah's Witnesses? Nah, not really.
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It was the Roman Catholic Church.

Not the Waldenses -- but the RCC.

 

[Yeshua1]

In order to have a "Reformation", there must be something to reform from, so what was that "something"? Was it the Baptist Church of Europe? Nope. How about the Wesleyan Church? Not that one either. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? That makes it 0 for 3. The Presbyterian Church? I don't think so. The Anglican Church? Most likely not. How about that good ole favorite - the Jehovah's Witnesses? Nah, not really.

But wait, I think I have it. I think it could be only be one of two. That would be either: 1. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, whose Bishop was in Rome. or 2. The Eastern Orthodox Church whose Bishop was based in Constantinople. Now since the 11th century when the Eastern Orthodox Church went their own way, that leaves but one that existed from the beginning and that is, yep, I think I have it - The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church based in Rome, the church started by Jesus Christ and led by the Bishop appointed by him, St. Peter.

So there we have it folks, the church known as the Roman Catholic Church, the church from which the renegade priest Martin Luther came from.

There was a definite need for the reformation, as the Church of Rome had gone off into holding to and teaching heresy as in a false Gospel long before cavlin, Luther and the Gang arrived!

 

[Adonia]

The Reformation was not only about religion, but it quickly became political as well with the Kings and Queens of the day choosing sides and acting accordingly. Thousands of people were killed by both sides as they jockeyed for power and control of the various nations in Europe.

 

[utilyan]

We call it the "Reformation" but perhaps revival is more appropriate. Those involved in t his movement of God were not Catholic (they became "apostate" because of their faith).

But more than that it was a movement which begun before Luther and would grow into the Protestant movement (incorporating non-Catholic faiths...i.e., Anabaptists....).

Without the Reformation the "radicall reformation" would not have occurred.

You can't kick out person from the Catholic Church, they can hold back sacraments from a Catholic.


Anabaptist don't believe in Faith Alone, had sacraments.

They are merely Donatist of their time.

Baptist just figure well they got baptist in their name so thats probably us.

Luther and Calvin were Catholics.

If we would go down the list of all christian faiths during Luther and Calvin, you wouldn't pick any.

 

[JonC]

You can't kick out person from the Catholic Church, they can hold back sacraments from a Catholic.


Anabaptist don't believe in Faith Alone, had sacraments.

They are merely Donatist of their time.

Baptist just figure well they got baptist in their name so thats probably us.

Luther and Calvin were Catholics.

If we would go down the list of all christian faiths during Luther and Calvin, you wouldn't pick any.

Luther and Calvin were Calvinists before they left the RCC. And yes, Baptist does not mean Anabaptist. Baptist doctrine finds its identity in Christ, not parent churches. I never understood why some seek another other connection. Christ is more than enough.

 

[Bro. James]

Anabaptist--a curious word. Why were these folk rebaptizing? What was wrong with the baptism of Rome? One possible answer: they regarded Romish baptisms as null and void because Rome had no authority. This caused no small amount of consternation in the Holy See. Many Anabaptists were sawn assunder--with their unbaptized babies.

Most of these groups were never part of Rome or the failed attempt to reform Rome. They trace their faith and practice to the shores of Galilee when Jesus called out the First Church. Their faith and practice is still in the world--preserved, as promised, by the Holy Spirit. God is faithful even when we are not.

Even so come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James