The Religion of Grace vs. the Religion of Works

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Romans 11:6, ". . . And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. . . ."

 

[AustinC]

Romans 11:6, ". . . And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. . . ."

Therefore, free-will choice is not of grace.

 

[AustinC]

You have the right to hold to whatever view you want even when it is wrong.

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

[AustinC]

NO But I also do not hold to the errant idea that God controls all His creatures like puppets.

Who does? Certainly not one who holds to the full Sovereignty of God.
Romans 1 tells you the result of God giving mankind over to doing whatsoever they will. The result is always more and more depravity. This is what all humaniind is destined for,if not for the gracious work of God in saving His elect.

God has given man a free will and as a result will be held responsible for the choices they make.

Absolutely. Man will freely jump into hell 100% of the time if God does not intervene in that person's life by choosing to redeem that person.

I do not hold to the errant views of the DoG or TULIP.

So, you reject that all humans are born in corruption and sin. (Yet the Bible tells us that we are born corrupt)
You reject God's choice of a person by unmerited favor. (Thus you would hold to some sort of merited salvation.)
You reject the view that Jesus atonement is only effective to those who believe so that it is limited. (That would mean you hold to universal, effective, atonement to all humans [universalism])
You reject that God's will is greater than man's will and thus espouse man as greater than God when it comes to the power of the wills.
You reject the evidence of salvation as being the perseverance of the redeemed. (You must hold to some other view of how you know you are saved)

Ultimately, you reject salvation by grace alone.

Augustine brought pagan ideas into the church and Calvin carried them forward and they are held to this day by many in the church.

What specific pagan ideas did Augustine being in. Please show them and document from where he got them. Then show us how Calvin took pagan ideas from Augustine and carried them forward. You have stated this before with zero proof for your assertion so now is the time to show us your extensive documentation.

Sliverhair, if what you assert about your beliefs is accurate then you should be very afraid when you stand before our King.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

NO But I also do not hold to the errant idea that God controls all His creatures like puppets. God has given man a free will and as a result will be held responsible for the choices they make.

I do not hold to the errant views of the DoG or TULIP. Augustine brought pagan ideas into the church and Calvin carried them forward and they are held to this day by many in the church.

What about Pelagian… the Brit that had his own pagan heretical theology? Do you choose that vs Doctrines of Grace?

 

[Silverhair]

What about Pelagian… the Brit that had his own pagan heretical theology? Do you choose that vs Doctrines of Grace?

You are such a child. I have told you that I trust the bible but you do not accept that so you continue with your really infantile comments. You follow a philosophy that has pagan roots so I do not think it would be wise to ask you for advice on Christian theology.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You are such a child. I have told you that I trust the bible but you do not accept that so you continue with your really infantile comments. You follow a philosophy that has pagan roots so I do not think it would be wise to ask you for advice on Christian theology.

I’m a Child of God so feel free, if not no skin off my nose.

 

[AustinC]

You are such a child. I have told you that I trust the bible but you do not accept that so you continue with your really infantile comments. You follow a philosophy that has pagan roots so I do not think it would be wise to ask you for advice on Christian theology.

What we note is that your words are cheap and you never source your assertions. Thus, your words are empty of substance.

It is clear you do not trust the Bible for the Bible tells you of the unequivocal Sovereignty of God above man's will, yet you continually promote man's will above God's will.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What we note is that your words are cheap and you never source your assertions. Thus, your words are empty of substance.

It is clear you do not trust the Bible for the Bible tells you of the unequivocal Sovereignty of God above man's will, yet you continually promote man's will above God's will.

Isn’t that Pelagian?