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The Resurrection of Abraham and the Millennial Reign of Christ???

canadyjd

canadyjd

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What if…… ?

All the premils go through the great tribulation? Will they believe God has forsaken them?

What if….? They are raptured directly to the great throne judgment, as Jesus stated in Matthew.

Will they chastised God for not doing things according to theology? Will they call God a liar because there was no restoration of National Israel? Will they demand Jesus return to the earth, rebuild that Temple, and reign for a thousand years?

Naaaaawh. They will fall on their faces like all the amils, plead the blood of Jesus and praise God for not holding all our bad theology against us.

peace to you
 
timtofly

timtofly

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JD731 said:
What if Abraham is resurrected from the dead only to find out that God did not really mean what he said in his promises to him concerning his family, the land of promise, Palestine, and a Seed through whom all the families of the world will be blessed?

What if the Amils and general resurrectionists and those who teach an eternity without an earth are right? Could any of us today really depend on the promises God has made to us, many of which depends on our own resurrection and bodily glorification?

Psa 105:6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
7 He is the Lord our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:
12 When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it.
13 When they went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to another people;
14 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;
15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

Psa 102:12 But thou, O Lord, shall endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.
13 Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.
14 For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.
15 So the heathen shall fear the name of the Lord, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.
16 When the Lord shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.
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Abraham was resurrected at the Cross, and entered that heavenly city Paradise that Hebrews 11 pointed out all in the OT were looking for. Abraham did not seem worried about the promise in the first century.

Yes, the generation of Israelites at the Second Coming will enjoy the entire land grant, as their King sits on His throne in Jerusalem over all the nations of the earth.

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

The land is given to the living on the earth. No one returns from Paradise, until after the Day of the Lord. That is when they come back in the New Jerusalem. Even Amil realize Revelation 20 happens prior to Revelation 21.
 
J

JD731

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canadyjd said:
What if…… ?

All the premils go through the great tribulation? Will they believe God has forsaken them?

What if….? They are raptured directly to the great throne judgment, as Jesus stated in Matthew.

Will they chastised God for not doing things according to theology? Will they call God a liar because there was no restoration of National Israel? Will they demand Jesus return to the earth, rebuild that Temple, and reign for a thousand years?

Naaaaawh. They will fall on their faces like all the amils, plead the blood of Jesus and praise God for not holding all our bad theology against us.

peace to you
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None of this is possible, jd!

I guess I missed a statement in Matthew like you state.
 
J

JD731

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KenH said:
On the subject of eschatology, I highly recommend a commentary on the book of Revelation by William Hendriksen, entitled More Than Conquerors. A free pdf is found here: Hendricksen-W-More_Than_Conquerors_-1940.pdf (tn-biblecollege.edu)
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KenH said:
Also, on the subject of eschatology, my good friend and the pastor of Eager Avenue Grace Church in Albany, Georgia, Bill Parker, has been preaching a series of messages on the book of Revelation since June 25, 2023:

Eager Avenue Grace Church | SermonAudio
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Have them drop by this forum and let's talk about the resurrection of Abraham and the promises God made to him and the elect nation God raised up through him.
 
J

JD731

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God, the Judge of all the earth, swore to the Abrahamic, the Palestinian, and the Davidic covenants. Everything he said in them must come to pass exactly as he said it. When we read the prophetic word we are getting the wisdom of God in how he will bring all these things to fulfillment in spite of the opposition of men and angels.There were some things that he did not reveal in the OT scriptures that he makes known in the NT scriptures. These are called mysteries. They are mysteries because God did not prophesy concerning the interim between the rejection of the Messiah by his own nation, which we know now as God forming the church of Jesus Christ with a Jewish foundation (eph 2:20), he being the chief cornerstone, and adding gentiles who believe his gospel to fill up this house, or family of God. We are told in the epistle to the Hebrews that God had in mind a 40 year probationary period for Israel to repent and believe (see He 3) and the fact that they did not resulted in their being dispersed into the nations and loosing their national identity making it impossible during this time for the Abrahamic covenant to be realized while this is their dispensation. This is reckoned by God as a burial of the nation and they will need to be resurrected nationally for God to fulfill his national promises to Abraham. Of course we saw Israel become a nation in 1948. This is no accident. The prophecies of God makes it known.

The prophetic figure for the formation of the church of Jesus Christ is God creating Adam from the dust of the earth and then creating his bride and his wife, Eve, from the sleeping side of Adam, who became his wife and was brought to where the Father is in the Garden of God. Adam is a picture here of Jesus Christ and Eve is a figure of his church, taken from his pierced side, and then taken to the Father's house. She is both his body, his help-meet, and his bride. The sons of God , the new birth, is realized through her. We call it evangelism by preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The eternal desiny of the church is in the heavenly city of New Jerusalem while the destination of the saved nations are on the New Earth with Israel being the head nation and Jerusalem being the seat of earthly govenment.

1Ps 115:6 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
18 But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the LORD!.

Note on verse 6.

Those in the church of Jesus Christ are not called children of men, they are called "children of God.'

Everything that connects us to Adam will be erased at the glorification of our bodies at the resurrection of the church, commonly called by those who don't know the proper biblical terms, the rapture.
 
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JD731

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JD731 said:
I am interested in him hearing what I and others like me have to say.
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God swore to three covenants in the OT. All of them concerned his people Israel.

They were;
1) The Abrahamic Covenant - The nation
2) The Palestinian Covenant - The land
3) The Davidic Covenant - The King

For those who have never considered the Palestinian Covenant it would do you good to read of the blessings and the curses associated with this covenant. It encompasses the whole history of Israel going forward just before they entered into their land as a nation by crossing the Jordan River under the leadership of Joshua.

De 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb <02722>.

De 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,


This covenant is of tremendous importance because of the curses that is coming on these people because of their infidelity. It is the promise that God, in spite of all their sins, will eventually (in the latter days) establish them as a saved nation in their promised land. He swares to this with an oath. The fulfillment of this covenant, in V6 below, will manifest the faithfulness of God.

Here are some excerpts
And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
De 30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. (read Matthew 24 here)
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

De 29:10 Ye stand this day all of you before the LORD your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:

De 27-31.

If a reader has light in these promises to Israel he will not believe the confusing teaching of the amils. The song of Moses is in these chapters. One should read it.
 
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