The Resurrection

[Michael Wrenn]

I believe that it is the Resurrection which differentiates the Christin religion from all others, not the Incarnation, not the Atonement, but the Resurrection -- the verifiable bodily resurrection of Jesus!

And yet it seems to me that the only denomination which gives this its proper due and emphasis is the EOC. I wonder why.

 

[The Biblicist]

I believe that it is the Resurrection which differentiates the Christin religion from all others, not the Incarnation, not the Atonement, but the Resurrection -- the verifiable bodily resurrection of Jesus!

And yet it seems to me that the only denomination which gives this its proper due and emphasis is the EOC. I wonder why.

The resurrection only has its value in connection with the atonement, which without, is worthless for anyone but Christ himself as a person.

The resurrection "justified" us because it is proof that God accepted the atonement for sin and eternal penalty of death had been satisfied completely. If not, death would have kept Christ in the grave because he died in the place of sinners. If his death had not satisfied the eternal penalty of the law he would still be in the grave today.

 

[billwald]

Yes. Christianity is the only religion which depends upon one mythical assumption. "Myth" means "story of beginnings" and implies neither history nor fiction.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes. Christianity is the only religion which depends upon one mythical assumption. "Myth" means "story of beginnings" and implies neither history nor fiction.

its based upon Historical factual information, the ONLY religion other than judaism that can be verfiried historical by "the facts!"

 

[Yeshua1]

I believe that it is the Resurrection which differentiates the Christin religion from all others, not the Incarnation, not the Atonement, but the Resurrection -- the verifiable bodily resurrection of Jesus!

And yet it seems to me that the only denomination which gives this its proper due and emphasis is the EOC. I wonder why.

You CANNOT have real christianity apart from BOTH the Cross and the resuurection!

jesus death was the propiation for sin, and the resurrection affirms God accepted it as "paid in full!"

 

[Michael Wrenn]

You CANNOT have real christianity apart from BOTH the Cross and the resuurection!

jesus death was the propiation for sin, and the resurrection affirms God accepted it as "paid in full!"

I am saying that in the Latin West the Resurrection is isolated from the whole of Christ's work and not emphasized like the atonement is. In the East this is not so.

 

[savedbymercy]

I believe that it is the Resurrection which differentiates the Christin religion from all others, not the Incarnation, not the Atonement, but the Resurrection -- the verifiable bodily resurrection of Jesus!

And yet it seems to me that the only denomination which gives this its proper due and emphasis is the EOC. I wonder why.

Do you know what the Resurrection of Christ signfies ?

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Do you know what the Resurrection of Christ signfies ?

What kind of a question is that? Are you trying to bait me? I don't trust your motives based on your other posts.

Yeah, I know exactly what it "signifies". And I know what it means, too.

 

[billwald]

How does BB define "fact?" What is the criteria for a statement being "factual?" Why are Christian facts better than Jewish or Islamic facts.

 

[Yeshua1]

How does BB define "fact?" What is the criteria for a statement being "factual?" Why are Christian facts better than Jewish or Islamic facts.

Christianity is rooted in historical facts, that can be verified and shown to be true by eyewitnesses and the verdict of history, while islam has NO such means to verify and prove its "truths claims"...

the bible o fthe jews/Christians attested to by its manuscripts and history, the Koran of islam... Not so much!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I believe that it is the Resurrection which differentiates the Christin religion from all others, not the Incarnation, not the Atonement, but the Resurrection -- the verifiable bodily resurrection of Jesus!

And yet it seems to me that the only denomination which gives this its proper due and emphasis is the EOC. I wonder why.

How so? The resurrection is fundamental to the Christian faith. How can you say the EOC only gives proper emphasis?

 

[Yeshua1]

I am saying that in the Latin West the Resurrection is isolated from the whole of Christ's work and not emphasized like the atonement is. In the East this is not so.

Think in the West, both are emphasised, for IF not true in both, true in neither!

 

[savedbymercy]

mw

What kind of a question is that?

The one you ask !

Are you trying to bait me?

No, you brought up the Resurrection of Christ, so what does it mean ? What does it mean to those He died for ?

Yeah, I know exactly what it "signifies". And I know what it means, too.

Lets have it !

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

How so? The resurrection is fundamental to the Christian faith. How can you say the EOC only gives proper emphasis?

GE:

What's the 'EOC'?

East Orthodox --- CATHOLIC--- Church?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

GE:

What's the 'EOC'?

Eastern Orthodox Church.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

How can you say the EOC only gives proper emphasis to the Resurrection, to repeat the question?

What about the Reformers? And the Calvinists? Why the Roman Catholic Church under auspices of the Eastern Orthodox Roman Catholic Church?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

How can you say the EOC only gives proper emphasis to the Resurrection, to repeat the question?

What about the Reformers? And the Calvinists? Why the Roman Catholic Church under auspices of the Eastern Orthodox Roman Catholic Church?

Its a very good question since it is a foundational christian truth that all christians believe in its entirety and hold that it must be believed to be Christian.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I am saying that the Latin West tends to isolate the atonement from the Resurrection and overemphasize the atonement. The EOC which holds the Christus Victor view and always has thus also hold a more wholistic view of the work of Jesus -- His Incarnation, life, death, and culminating in the resurrection, without which Christianity would not exist, or would be just a sect of Judaism in all likelihood.

 

[David Michael Harris]

Resurrection Day or the Last Day is when is all is put right. Try to fathom past it and you will get confused. Not a good day for those that don't believe in Christ and reject Him till death.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Yes, Roman Catholic West is for bloody Friday; Eastern Roman Catholicism has one act added to the bloody drama, "Resurrection Tuesday" or Thursday et al.

But that is not all the acts in the Eastern Roman Catholicism drama. They have "Burial Monday" or "Burial Sunday" or any which day week-day "Burial day". sc., Eastern Roman Catholicism has "THREE", "DAYS"; not only 'Good Friday' and "Easter Sunday".

What is the one better than the other? It's 6 of the one and half a dozen of the other. West is papal fixed 'Good Friday' and 'Easter Sunday'; East is Judaism fixed 'quartodecimen' 'Crucifixion day' and 'Resurrection day' whenever. Which doesn't help either.

But ...

There is no Christ or Saviour crucified or raised that was not BURIED— no Christ or Saviour crucified “on the first day they killed the passover” or “raised the third day according to the Scriptures” of First Sheaf, that was not “BURIED to the ethics of the Jews” “this that first night”, “that selfsame BONE-day”, “the sabbath that-day-great-day-sabbath”, of “the Passover of Yahweh” "the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath".

That you won't find ANYWHERE in Christiandom except in its SCRIPTURES.