The rich get richer and . . .

[Daisy]

Thats a bunch of crap. First of all the police that respond are among the poor. There houses and familes are in the poorer neighborhoods. Maybe you do not know how much law enforcement makes.

Depends on the county. NYC cops are working class unless they get a lot of overtime, but Nassau county cops are solidly middle-class.

Second Its not within officer discretion to take a report or not. They report on certan things no matter the income of the person they are talking to.

Yeah, certain things like death and assaults requiring hospitalizations. Normal assault, car accidents under a certain dollar amount, are discretionary as I have learned, much to my dismay.

Maybe they are more busy in poor neighborhoods but that is not there fault is it.

Or maybe they don't go in certain neighborhoods much while responding promptly to noise complaints in others.

 

[DeeJay]

Depends on the county. NYC cops are working class unless they get a lot of overtime, but Nassau county cops are solidly middle-class.

They work for there money and are not the rich snobs you make them out to be. Law enforcement are blue collar and categorize themselfs in with the working class not the rich. They may make enough (with overtime and second jobs) to provide an ok living, but they are not hob nobing it with the rich. So why would a working class cop favor the rich? The would not.

Yeah, certain things like death and assaults requiring hospitalizations. Normal assault, car accidents under a certain dollar amount, are discretionary as I have learned, much to my dismay.

They are discretionary to the department or shift supervisor, not the individual cop. In other words the department makes a blanket rule, "reports for dollar amounts above whatever". But that means it was not just a rule for you Daisy. It applied to everybody.

Or maybe they don't go in certain neighborhoods much while responding promptly to noise complaints in others.

Or maybe you are just wrong and they work on priority. Noise complaints being low priority. Your theory also falls flat when you realize that the department in any sizable city is compartmentalized. Meaning the cops in richer neighborhoods are not the same cops in poor neighborhoods. SO the cops in the rich hoods only deal with that hood. The cops in the poor neighborhoods only deal with that hood. So the cops dont have to choose weather to go to the rich neighborhood or the poor they each have officers assigned to each of them and only them.

In the end you are just one of those people who like to talk bad about law enforcement, while enjoying the protection they give you.

 

[Daisy]

They work for there money and are not the rich snobs you make them out to be.

Huh? I made them out to be "working class" and "solidly middle class" - how do you translate that to "rich snobs"? Seriously, that is q u i t e a stretch.

Law enforcement are blue collar and categorize themselfs in with the working class not the rich. They may make enough (with overtime and second jobs) to provide an ok living, but they are not hob nobing it with the rich.

Treating rich people differently from poor people is hardly "hobnobing" and over $100,000 is not rich but it is not working poor either.

So why would a working class cop favor the rich? The would not.

The bosses favor the rich so the peons do, too.

They are discretionary to the department or shift supervisor, not the individual cop. In other words the department makes a blanket rule, "reports for dollar amounts above whatever". But that means it was not just a rule for you Daisy. It applied to everybody.

No, the rules vary for the individuals; it did not apply to everybody.

Or maybe you are just wrong and they work on priority. Noise complaints being low priority. Your theory also falls flat when you realize that the department in any sizable city is compartmentalized. Meaning the cops in richer neighborhoods are not the same cops in poor neighborhoods. SO the cops in the rich hoods only deal with that hood. The cops in the poor neighborhoods only deal with that hood. So the cops dont have to choose weather to go to the rich neighborhood or the poor they each have officers assigned to each of them and only them.

I'm going by studies and experience.

In the end you are just one of those people who like to talk bad about law enforcement, while enjoying the protection they give you.

No, I've had both good and bad experiences with cops. I don't talk bad about them, but they do treat rich & famous people differently.

 

[DeeJay]

Huh? I made them out to be "working class" and "solidly middle class" - how do you translate that to "rich snobs"? Seriously, that is q u i t e a stretch.

Originally Posted by PL
As has often been pointed out, the rich pay a much higher tax (both in rate and dollars), but the police don't get there faster, the roads don't ride any smoother, the politicians aren't any less corrupt.

Daisy
Um, yeah the police do get there faster and they're more polite and willing to take a report (firemen are the same,

Does not sound like you made them out to be working class to me.

Treating rich people differently from poor people is hardly "hobnobing" and over $100,000 is not rich but it is not working poor either.

What Police Officer makes over $100,000?

The bosses favor the rich so the peons do, too.

The bosses are also working class making only a little more then what you call the peons.

No, the rules vary for the individuals; it did not apply to everybody.

I'm going by studies and experience.

Just what is your law enforcement experience? Getting pulled over does not give you knowlege as to how a police department works.

No, I've had both good and bad experiences with cops. I don't talk bad about them, but they do treat rich & famous people differently.

Accusing them of not caring for the poor and middle class as much as the rich is talking bad about them.

 

[Rufus_1611]

What Police Officer makes over $100,000?

"In Redwood City, 38 police officers, sergeants and captains make more than $100,000. In addition, Police Chief Carlos Bolanos makes between $148,200 and $173,436 — third in the city to the city manager and city attorney."

(Source: http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=52931)

"D.C. Council members vowed to crack down on overtime that last year boosted the pay of 344 city government workers over $100,000, including more than 200 police officers and firefighters who doubled or tripled their base pay rates."

(Source: http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20030715-094955-1936r.htm)

"When Boston finally decided to participate in 2000, police salaries skyrocketed. Largely due to Quinn bill increases, 630 Boston police officers--roughly 30 percent of the force--earned over $100,000 last year."

(Source: http://www.pioneerinstitute.org/research/opeds/quinn.cfm)​

 

[DeeJay]

"In Redwood City, 38 police officers, sergeants and captains make more than $100,000. In addition, Police Chief Carlos Bolanos makes between $148,200 and $173,436 — third in the city to the city manager and city attorney."

(Source: http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=52931)

"D.C. Council members vowed to crack down on overtime that last year boosted the pay of 344 city government workers over $100,000, including more than 200 police officers and firefighters who doubled or tripled their base pay rates."

(Source: http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20030715-094955-1936r.htm)

"When Boston finally decided to participate in 2000, police salaries skyrocketed. Largely due to Quinn bill increases, 630 Boston police officers--roughly 30 percent of the force--earned over $100,000 last year."

(Source: http://www.pioneerinstitute.org/research/opeds/quinn.cfm)
​

A police cheif in Redwood Ca, is not reprisentitive of the police accros this nation.

I dont know how much it cost to live in those places and I dont know if the counts overtime. But I do know that these few exceptions are the very very small number of exceptions. The police you are likely to meet pulling you over probaby makes between $30 to 50,000 a year.

How much does this job pay? Back to Top
The middle half of all police and sheriff's patrol officers earned between $34,410 and $56,360 a year in 2004. The lowest-paid 10 percent earned less than $26,910. The highest-paid 10 percent earned more than $68,880 a year.
The middle half of all police and detective supervisors earned between $49,370 and $80,510 a year in 2004. The lowest-paid 10 percent earned less than $36,690. The highest-paid 10 percent earned more than $96,950 a year.
The middle half of all detectives and criminal investigators earned between $40,690 and $72,280 a year in 2004. The lowest-paid 10 percent earned less than $32,180. The highest-paid 10 percent earned more than $86,010 a year.
Police get paid for overtime. Police also receive paid vacation, sick leave, and medical and life insurance. Often they get money for uniforms. Many retire at half-pay after 25 or 30 years of service.

http://www.bls.gov/k12/law01.htm

 

[DeeJay]

Utah Highway Patrol

Annual SalaryMinimum = $30,285
Maximum = $43,098

http://highwaypatrol.utah.gov/employment/benefits.html


So back to the topic. Do you think that the Trooper here starting out at $30,285 is going to favor the rich in anyway.

 

[DeeJay]

Salt Lake City Police Officer Wage Schedule Wages Effective January 1, 2006

Grade Days Afternoons Graves Yrs of Service
501 $2,738.67 $2,807.13 $2,875.60 Entry
502 $2,943.20 $3,016.78 $3,090.36 1
503 $3,137.33 $3,215.77 $3,294.20 2
504 $3,336.67 $3,420.08 $3,503.50 3
505 $3,539.47 $3,627.95 $3,716.44 4
506 $3,744.00 $3,837.60 $3,931.20 5
507 $3,896.53 $3,993.95 $4,091.36 6
508 $4,049.07 $4,150.29 $4,251.52 7
509 $4,205.07 $4,310.19 $4,415.32 8
510 $4,406.13 $4,516.29 $4,626.44 9+​

http://www.ci.slc.ut.us/police/Employment/employ_wage.htm​

That is $55,500 a year for 9 year employees with the grave shift differental.​

 

[Rufus_1611]

A police cheif in Redwood Ca, is not reprisentitive of the police accros this nation.

I dont know how much it cost to live in those places and I dont know if the counts overtime. But I do know that these few exceptions are the very very small number of exceptions. The police you are likely to meet pulling you over probaby makes between $30 to 50,000 a year.

http://www.bls.gov/k12/law01.htm

That's fine but that wasn't your question. There are many law enforcement professionals throughout America making over $100k a year.

 

[DeeJay]

That's fine but that wasn't your question. There are many law enforcement professionals throughout America making over $100k a year.

I should have limited my question to avg. on the street police. I was not thinking about the cheif of police. Lets just say %98 of Officers are well under $100,000 a year.

 

[DeeJay]

In case you were thinking about a career change to Trooper Rufus

Texas Troopers start at

$33,300

and after 20 years end up at

$57,480

Of course if you make Sgt. with 20 years you can make up to

63,720

Yup, these guys are going to favor the rich.

 

[saturneptune]

In case you were thinking about a career change to Trooper Rufus

Texas Troopers start at

$33,300

and after 20 years end up at

$57,480

Of course if you make Sgt. with 20 years you can make up to

63,720

Yup, these guys are going to favor the rich.

These men and women who protect our lives daily and teachers that teach our children are way underpaid. And a lawyer is worth what?

 

[DeeJay]

These men and women who protect our lives daily and teachers that teach our children are way underpaid. And a lawyer is worth what?

I agree, the pay is low because nether teachers or officers make any money. They are all expense without any profit making ability.

The benifits are pretty good and they are rewarding jobs. That is why people do them. But it would be alot easier if people like Daisy and her ilk would look at all the benifits they take from police and fire instead of complaining and making false acusations. Blameing the worlds problems on them.

 

[LadyEagle]

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Lady Eagle

 

[El_Guero]

I realize that some police officers make decent salaries.

However, I don't get how that compares with the OP.

Since 1980, the upper 10% of this country have made a larger piece of the pie in the USA while they have outsourced the jobs of the lower 60% of our country. In the process of this transfer of wealth, I believe that our country is loosing a significant amount of lost tax revenue and wealth that used to be spread among the lower 60% of our people in this country.

I still do not believe that it is a godly thing to give the wealth here that helped the poor Americans to other countries just so that a few people at the top could keep a bigger piece of the pie.

If they did this out of real Christian charity, I could believe that they were doing a courageous thing. However, I see that this is driven by greed.

Happy New Year & Merry Christmas.

 

[LadyEagle]

Closed per previous warning. LE