The Role of Women

[canadyjd]

I had to look it up ... SMH = Shaking My Head

Thanks for info

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

See post #59 where I already did as you request. You said: I just asked for the specific scripture you base that claim on.
Serpent is blamed: (Genesis 3:14)
Adam is blamed: (Romans 5:12)
Eve is blamed: ??

You'll need to respond to my inquiry very specifically, that is, answer my questions and expound, if you want a more specific answer from me. At this point, it just appears to be semantic games, in which I'm not interested. But it could be something else, so this is your opportunity.

 

[atpollard]

You'll need to respond to my inquiry very specifically, that is, answer my questions and expound, if you want a more specific answer from me. At this point, it just appears to be semantic games, in which I'm not interested. But it could be something else, so this is your opportunity.

OK, so no verse comes to your mind, either.

 

[atpollard]

At this point, it just appears to be semantic games, in which I'm not interested.

It is not about "semantic games" it is about contradictory unsupported statements of opinion and what SCRIPTURE actually says.

Yeshua opened with a clear, firm statement that Adam WAS blamed by God and Eve WAS NOT blamed by God, but offered no Scripture to support his opinion.

God placed the blame upon Adam, not Eve!

You (RighteousnessTemperance&) countered with an equally clear, firm opposing statement that Adam, Eve and the Serpent WERE ALL blamed by God, but offered no Scripture to support your opinion.

Not so, but on Adam, Eve, and the Serpent, all.

I quoted the conversation in Genesis 3 where God actually pronounces His judgement on the Serpent, Eve and Adam, HIGHLIGHTING the verses where "God said" and following up with the observation that the Serpent is CLEARLY BLAMED (Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed) by God. Adam is BLAMED (Because thou hast ... cursed [is] the ground) by God. In the case of Eve, the woman said "I was deceived" and God neither rebuked nor corrected her, so Eve WAS DECEIVED (whatever that means, God does not say) and there is no "Because thou hast ..." preceding God's statement to Eve. So THIS scripture is not clear that God BLAMED Eve. It is merely clear that Eve suffered consequences for her actions. The only CLEAR lesson from Eve is that excuses for violating the law of God do not abrogate the consequences of sin.

[Gen 3:14-19 KJV]
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.
From what I read,

• the serpent was directly cursed,
• Eve suffered consequences because she was deceived but no mention of a curse,
• Adam suffered consequences while the “ground” was cursed because of Adam’s choice.

In response, you (RighteousnessTemperance&) doubled down on your opinion that Adam, Eve and the Serpent WERE ALL blamed by God, but still offered no Scripture to support your opinion and made no attempt to speak to the scripture that I had offered. Which is both your right and perfectly acceptable.

The original comment was about blame, and all three were blamed, not just Adam.

In response, I made just one simple request. I provided scripture that I was familiar with that clearly supported God blaming the Serpent and scripture that supported God blaming Adam. All I requested was a single scxripture that you might be aware of that supported your opinion that God blamed Eve.

I just asked for the specific scripture you base that claim on.

Serpent is blamed: (Genesis 3:14)
Adam is blamed: (Romans 5:12)
Eve is blamed: ??

I do not need to sit for an examination of a list of theology questions to "earn" the right to expect you to be able to offer a scripture to support a position you present as fact. I made a simple request that you are free to oblige or decline as you wish. However, your personal opinion stands as unsupported from where I sit.

God Bless.

 

[atpollard]

I guess I’ve proven myself to Not Be a misogynist

Just out of curiosity, can't you be scripturally accurate and still personally be a misogynist?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

It is not about "semantic games" it is about contradictory unsupported statements of opinion and what SCRIPTURE actually says.

Yeshua opened with a clear, firm statement that Adam WAS blamed by God and Eve WAS NOT blamed by God, but offered no Scripture to support his opinion.

...

Yes, in Genesis, but Paul laid it all upon Adam as being the guilty party between himself and eve!

Your interpretation of my response may be incorrect regarding blame. From what you've said so far, it appears to be wildly so. My questions draw out what my point regarding blame would involve. Your avoidance of those questions leads me to believe you are not interested in pursuing it in an edifying way for some reason.

But at least your response supported the fact that Y1 was incorrect, that at least Satan was to blame. And even he agreed with me that Genesis supported my point. At some point, the question would be, Blamed for what?

And just what did Eve say to Adam before he ate the forbidden fruit?

 

[Sai]

Just out of curiosity, can't you be scripturally accurate and still personally be a misogynist?

Democrat politicians are addicted to power like sex addicts are addicted to porn. They will not accept the vaccine.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Yeshua1]

It is not about "semantic games" it is about contradictory unsupported statements of opinion and what SCRIPTURE actually says.

Yeshua opened with a clear, firm statement that Adam WAS blamed by God and Eve WAS NOT blamed by God, but offered no Scripture to support his opinion.


You (RighteousnessTemperance&) countered with an equally clear, firm opposing statement that Adam, Eve and the Serpent WERE ALL blamed by God, but offered no Scripture to support your opinion.


I quoted the conversation in Genesis 3 where God actually pronounces His judgement on the Serpent, Eve and Adam, HIGHLIGHTING the verses where "God said" and following up with the observation that the Serpent is CLEARLY BLAMED (Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed) by God. Adam is BLAMED (Because thou hast ... cursed [is] the ground) by God. In the case of Eve, the woman said "I was deceived" and God neither rebuked nor corrected her, so Eve WAS DECEIVED (whatever that means, God does not say) and there is no "Because thou hast ..." preceding God's statement to Eve. So THIS scripture is not clear that God BLAMED Eve. It is merely clear that Eve suffered consequences for her actions. The only CLEAR lesson from Eve is that excuses for violating the law of God do not abrogate the consequences of sin.


In response, you (RighteousnessTemperance&) doubled down on your opinion that Adam, Eve and the Serpent WERE ALL blamed by God, but still offered no Scripture to support your opinion and made no attempt to speak to the scripture that I had offered. Which is both your right and perfectly acceptable.


In response, I made just one simple request. I provided scripture that I was familiar with that clearly supported God blaming the Serpent and scripture that supported God blaming Adam. All I requested was a single scxripture that you might be aware of that supported your opinion that God blamed Eve.


I do not need to sit for an examination of a list of theology questions to "earn" the right to expect you to be able to offer a scripture to support a position you present as fact. I made a simple request that you are free to oblige or decline as you wish. However, your personal opinion stands as unsupported from where I sit.

God Bless.

Here is scripture reference, where Paul identified Adam as main one to blame!
Romans 5:12-20

 

[Sai]

Here is scripture reference, where Paul identified Adam as main one to blame!
Romans 5:12-20

There’s no argument here at all. The statement is about Eve’s ability to think as did Satan that we could become like God. Adam to his credit knew that was wrong.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Yeshua1]

There’s no argument here at all. The statement is about Eve’s ability to think as did Satan that we could become like God. Adam to his credit knew that was wrong.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

We all died in Adam, not in Eve, as he was the head of His family!

 

[Sai]

Adam stood as the representative head for all humanity. Noah stood as the representative head for all humanity. Abraham stood as the representative head for all Israel. These positions hold the one to be at fault for whatever happens. Christ is the representative head for all the redeemed and is blameless.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Sai]

We all died in Adam, not in Eve, as he was the head of His family!

What else is new?


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[canadyjd]

Adam stood as the representative head for all humanity. Noah stood as the representative head for all humanity. Abraham stood as the representative head for all Israel. These positions hold the one to be at fault for whatever happens. Christ is the representative head for all the redeemed and is blameless.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

Adam has more than “”representative fault” for Eve’s sin. Adam sinned willfully. Adam then sinned again and blamed his wife for his own failure. Both are 100% his own fault.

According to your logic, women are prone to being deceived and men are prone to willful, deliberate disobedience of God’s commands and are then prone to blame women for their failure.

And so it continues

And I SMH whenever you post.

peace to you

 

[Sai]

Adam has more than “”representative fault” for Eve’s sin. Adam sinned willfully. Adam then sinned again and blamed his wife for his own failure. Both are 100% his own fault.

According to your logic, women are prone to being deceived and men are prone to willful, deliberate disobedience of God’s commands and are then prone to blame women for their failure.

And so it continues

And I SMH whenever you post.

peace to you

“and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression:”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭ASV‬‬
1 Timothy 2:14 and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression | American Standard Version (ASV) | Download The Bible App Now


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[Sai]

We all died in Adam, not in Eve, as he was the head of His family!

Thank God Adam did not try to think he could be God


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[canadyjd]

Thank God Adam did not try to think he could be God


Joy unspeakable full of glory

So, you are “thanking God” for Adam’s willful disobedience because he wasn’t deceived?

peace to you

 

[atpollard]

Your interpretation of my response may be incorrect regarding blame.

You claimed that God blamed Eve. I can locate no scripture that makes that claim and you will provide none. That is not a matter of interpretation.

And just what did Eve say to Adam before he ate the forbidden fruit?

Scripture records that she said nothing ... "When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate." [Gen 3:6 NASB]

According to scripture, Eve wanted to be wise.

 

[Sai]

So, you are “thanking God” for Adam’s willful disobedience because he wasn’t deceived?

peace to you

Yes


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Sai]

ScarletO why’d you run


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[canadyjd]

I understand you

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you