The Rude Sunday Sunday Crowd At Restaurants

[preacher4truth]

Let's see.

We have one who chooses to go out to eat knowing that her and her family 'cannot afford' to tip (which is total hogwash and practicing imprudent behavior to which there is most likely much more imprudent behavior being practiced by such). You know, like let's just say a 6-12 dollar tip range (random tip range).

Yet they go anyhow.

They order, they (hopefully) pray (being seen of others and probably their server) and then they leave and leave nothing for the service they've received. What a witness! :thumbs:

To top it off we have the OP supporting this behavior when the OP's thread is against such rudeness, and then we have others coming along to support such behavior as well.

 

[Salty]

Does the same theory apply when someone comes to your church - say a music group or a speaker - and instead of charging admission - it is a free will offering.

So for all of you who insist on a 20% tip - do you also give liberally to those who minister at your church?

 

[preacher4truth]

Does the same theory apply when someone comes to your church - say a music group or a speaker - and instead of charging admission - it is a free will offering.

So for all of you who insist on a 20% tip - do you also give liberally to those who minister at your church?

There are some in church who take the free ride and there are those who give graciously and cheerfully.

Outside of church such practice is consistent and reflects the heart of such. There are those who expect a free ride then there are those who give graciously and cheerfully. Some feel entitled and that is apparent within this thread.

One has said on BB 'how you do one thing is how you do many things' ( or something similar).

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Does the same theory apply when someone comes to your church - say a music group or a speaker - and instead of charging admission - it is a free will offering.

So for all of you who insist on a 20% tip - do you also give liberally to those who minister at your church?

Yup ...... <--- 10 characters

 

[Judith]

This thread is stagnated in self righteous pride that surfaces to many times on this board. It reminds me of the Pharisee that thanked God he was not like other men. A Pharisee will pick out a so called sin in someone else and condemn that person to hell. Never mind what the Pharisee is guilty of.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Herald]

You can cut the over-the-top rhetoric with a knife.

If you decide to give a 10, 15, or 20% tip to a server, that is your business. There are rude and inept servers that do not deserve the top of the scale when it comes to tipping. But does anyone actually believe it is OK not to tip a server who relies on tips to earn a living? I am not talking about the tip jar at Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts. I mean the sit down restaurant where the server gives you full service.

When I was a boy my father walked out on us. My mother worked two full time jobs as a server making $1.25/hr. plus tips. She worked hard and made good money because of the tips she received. It is a societal norm that if you are a server, and you give good service, you should be tipped.

At the risk of being redundant, does anyone actually believe it is OK not to tip a server who relies on tips to earn a living?

 

[preacher4truth]

But does anyone actually believe it is OK not to tip a server who relies on tips to earn a living?

At the risk of being redundant, does anyone actually believe it is OK not to tip a server who relies on tips to earn a living?

Seriously? There is one here who PURPOSELY goes to restaurants knowing she cannot 'afford' to tip but goes anyhow and has said so in this thread.

Did you read the thread before you came out with your initial 'rhetoric' statement in order to malign? Or are you still on your high horse and here to straighten everyone 'else' out? :thumbs:

 

[Judith]

You can cut the over-the-top rhetoric with a knife.

If you decide to give a 10, 15, or 20% tip to a server, that is your business. There are rude and inept servers that do not deserve the top of the scale when it comes to tipping. But does anyone actually believe it is OK not to tip a server who relies on tips to earn a living? I am not talking about the tip jar at Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts. I mean the sit down restaurant where the server gives you full service.

When I was a boy my father walked out on us. My mother worked two full time jobs as a server making $1.25/hr. plus tips. She worked hard and made good money because of the tips she received. It is a societal norm that if you are a server, and you give good service, you should be tipped.

At the risk of being redundant, does anyone actually believe it is OK not to tip a server who relies on tips to earn a living?

Yes I do. If the service is poor they do not deserve a tip. It is called gratuitous for a reason.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I am not talking about the tip jar at Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts.

I never put money in there. They get paid as much a s $12 an hour. Why am I going to tip them for doing the job they are already quite well paid to do? I agree regarding the wait staff at other restaurants whose income is 90% or more tip-reliant. Even if they're bad, I'll give the something. The height of arrogance is the guy who leaves 2₵ for a tip because he thinks the service was bad. He doesn't know how long the wait staff for his table has been on duty, what might have just happened back in the kitchen, or whether that person is spread across two serving areas because someone else didn't show up for work.

Tipping someone who needs the money just to pay the rent and utilities is a necessity, even if they don't do a very good job the time they wait on you. Don't criticize until you've walked a mile in their moccasins.

 

[preacher4truth]

Yes I do. If the service is poor they do not deserve a tip. It is called gratuitous for a reason.

Yes, it is called that and you're clueless as to its meaning:

Gratuitous: uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted. In other words 'undeserved'.

 

[Judith]

Yes, it is called that and you're clueless as to its meaning:

Gratuitous: uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted. In other words 'undeserved'.

It is not I who is confused but you. You are saying tipping is always called for, I am saying it is not. It is always a gratuitous gift and when withheld it is not wrong.

 

[preacher4truth]

It is not I who is confused but you. You are saying tipping is always called for, I am saying it is not. It is always a gratuitous gift and when withheld it is not wrong.

You show your heart -- gratuitous is giving something when not deserved, you know, like grace -- something you don't extend toward others but feel entitled to yourself.

Just like the ones in the video.

 

[saturneptune]

Does the same theory apply when someone comes to your church - say a music group or a speaker - and instead of charging admission - it is a free will offering.

So for all of you who insist on a 20% tip - do you also give liberally to those who minister at your church?

Yes I do, and more to the church than a tip. This thread is a dividing rod. I will go so far to say as those who mimic the pattern of that clip are not in a Christ like mindset. (I cannot say they are not saved.) Any group or individual that goes to a restaurant after worshipping the Lord on Sunday morning and acts like that was born in the pits of hell.

Christians are not characterized by being self centered, arrogant, slobs.

 

[Rippon]

Oh, you woulda bashed his head in, maybe used him to sweep the floor of the entire restaurant ? and you're accusing me of being full of me just because I refuse to join your "holier-than-thou" attitude towards a brother in Christ ?
nobody knows the entire story. Do you know who they were ? Do you know ANYTHING about them other than what they were being portrayed to you ? So as far as you are concerned, they DESERVED being made to wait, or to be late for wherever they're going, or for the lady to have whatever it was that was spilled on her?


By the way, did you notice how the sounds of everybody and everything else in that restaurant did not seem to carry to that very sensitive microphone but those of the bad mannered Christian couple did ? and isn't it curious that the lady complained of having waited too long for somebody to serve them immediately after being seated, and how the manager appeared quickly on the scene? To me that smells of editing.
And why are surveillance tapes of a restaurant in the possession of whoever posted this video ? surveillance tapes that do not have date and time stamps on them ? and why did the scene switch from the family and the manager getting chummy-chummy to a stock room to show the "maltreated" waitress muttering "hypocrite" under her breath ?

In my estimation, this wasn't a real surveillance tape, and I've been doubtful from early on that this actually happened. You all were quick to attack Christians because you probably hear nothing but sermons on how AWFUL Christians are, and it goes against your grain to even think that Christians can actually be kind to those who wait on tables, or that life and events in this fallen world can actually affect their manners and relationships to those around them.
It might seem far fetched but I think that if this was even an actual surveillance tape in a real restaurant it had been edited to highlight how Christians are inconsiderate, and deserve to be unattended in restaurants.
And you were quick to gleefully jump on the bandwagon.
No, you are the one who need an attitude adjustment because you're the one so full of your "Christian and compassionate" self.

This particular thread is related to a current one. I do think,as Pinoy pointed out,that the video was indeed a set-up performance.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why yes....Blessed are the poor in spirit, the meek, the please makers

From ML-J .... Here, then, we arereminded once more that the outworking in the Christian of the Christian life is altogether & entirely different from everything that can be known by any man who is not a Christian. That is the message which recurs in every one of these Beatitudes and which, obviously, our Lord desired to emphasize. He was establishing an entirely new and different kingdom.

Hummmmm

 

[righteousdude2]

When I was younger; way, way younger!

I did not want to derail a thought Rev Mitchell brought up in another thread, but here is a typical scene at a restaurant after church.

http://www.worshiphousemedia.com/mini-movies/7871/Faith-Without-Love

It is a fact that the group that goes to a restaurant after church on Sunday morning is some of the rudest, meanest, and cheapest tippers there are. We should be the kindest, most understanding, and best tippers there are. If you cannot afford to tip, then you cannot afford to go out to eat. The waiters and waitresses depend on tips to survive, and make below a minimum wage as a base salary.

These folks work hard. They are there to make your dining experience the best they can. Every time you need more catsup, a drink refilled, more bread, a steak that was not cooked right, etc, they come and go to satisfy your every whim. We do not live in a perfect world, and things go wrong. It is our reaction to them as Christians that destroys the Christian witness every Sunday in front of a lost world.

There are regular arguments amongst the crew of restaurants about who has to work the shift on Sunday after church. It is a pattern all across the nation.

My hat is off to those that have the patience to put up with the arrogance, rudeness, and sharp remarks day after day. I could not do it. The guy in the above clip would be wearing the glass of tea, and the woman would have the pecans from the salad stuffed up her nose. There is not enough tip money on this earth IMO to put up with this crowd. No doubt they will return to church Sunday night and gossip about their experience at the restaurant.

Either give these people a break or go home to eat.

I was extremely guilty of this, by allowing the groups I went out with after services to be loud and obnoxious. We were even asked to leave a Bob's Big Boy [imagine that a Bob's Big Boy?] for being too loud and having too much fun. Several older people on either side of the table, who could have asked us to tone it down, instead complained to management!

It was a POOR witness, and as their pastor, the buck stops with me, and I should have stopped some of our behaviors before they annoyed others.

Now that I'm mature [a term for oldy-moldy], I understand how others viewed us younger folks. We were shameful, and did not reflect a good light for the church!

Great post SN! :thumbsup: