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The Sabbath- Do we still need to keep it?
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Originally Posted by Shiloh
I am writing not for "Claudia the confused" or "Ed with the blinders on" but to others that might be swayed with the SDA (Seventh-Day Adventism) FALSE teaching on this BAPTIST BOARD. You follow the False teaching of Claudia the confused SDA, it will lead you to a devils hell.
Its a good thing I dont think up a nickname for you... because it would be something like "Shiloh the ______" (the since you are so fond of keeping on with the supposed "sins on the goats HEAD") .... well lets put it this way, it wouldnt be a name you'd be fond of.
Originally Posted by Shiloh
I am writing not for "Claudia the confused" or "Ed with the blinders on" but to others that might be swayed with the SDA (Seventh-Day Adventism) FALSE teaching on this BAPTIST BOARD. You follow the False teaching of Claudia the confused SDA, it will lead you to a devils hell.
Its a good thing I dont think up a nickname for you... because it would be something like "Shiloh the ______" (the since you are so fond of keeping on with the supposed "sins on the goats HEAD") .... well lets put it this way, it wouldnt be a name you'd be fond of.
EdSutton said:Thought I'd turn down the noise a bit, before responding, here. And blinders or no, I can read Verdana type, Size #2, perfectly well, even without my spectacles, thank you. :type:
I never said one thing in my post about agreeing with anything "By Caludia.." (sic), as to anything she was proclaiming, here, and in fact have openly disagreed with Claudia_T time and again, as well as Bob Ryan and Gerhard Ebersoehn, just to name two that are 'haunting' this thread, currently.
I have well over 2000 posts in just over a year, everyone of which, save a few that were in threads deleted by the Moderators or Administrators, can be accessed in the threads of the BB. I have 'argued' against any and all forms of legalism, time and again. In fact, if one bothered to read very many of my posts in the various threads, one could come to no other conclusion than that I'm about as strong an advocate for "free grace", as one will find regularly posting on the BB, and one who actually believes we are not under the law, but under grace. You might note that I did not disagree with anything 'theological' or Biblical in what you wrote.
That said, personally, at times I find some of the attitudes manifested on various threads in about every forum less than stellar, to say the least. And I have seen more than one on this thread, that IMO, fits that characterization, in what I would consider an ad hominem attack.
Should anyone want to 'attack' me, they should feel free to do so. Personally, I will not be particularly upset, as that is not my nature. It will merely give someone else a break from something they probably do not deserve, in that manner.
But I see no reason for someone or anyone, for that matter, to be Biblically correct, doctrinally, and manifest an attitude of an annoyed she-bear defending her cub, in her own mind.
When anyone agrees with Scripture, as I understand it, I will agree; when they disagree with the same, I will disagree. In fact, I probably disagree with the individual who is actually my closest friend for over 35 years (and is a BB member, as well) more than I have ever disagreed with any other on this board, for that entire time.
If that is wearing blinders, please send me another set, as these are getting some age on them. :thumbsup:
Ed
P.S. As a Gentile, I never ever needed to "keep the Sabbath" then, and as a Christian, not under the law, but under grace, I certainly don't need to 'keep' it now, since Christ kept it for me, and I'm now found in Him.
However, as a testimony, as the late Dr. Oliver B. Greene once said when someone asked him, "Brother Greene - don't you keep the sabbath?" His magnificent reply- "I keep every day!"
GE:
As Clint Eastwood says in one of his not so good movies, Do anything, just don't bore me!
Alcott said:
GE:
Allow this "stupid" to inform you, it never was God's plan to destroy Nineveh, but to save it --- which plan He mustered and mastered -- all by Himself, Jonah rebelling against His will or not; he did just what God wanted him to do.
Alcott said:
GE:
I'm convinced this is your utter best.
Shiloh said:Is it true that such ranting is the proper way to review the scriptures posted above. Christians would say "no".
In Christ,
Bob
This is Bob....
The Sabbath:
1. When was the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday 7th day) changed to Sunday for New Testament Christians? It wasn't ever, nowhere(.)
A. The Lord Jesus didn't keep the "Sabbath." Joh 5:17,18 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
B. Claudia says that "Sunday" worship was started by Rome? She is wrong again, SDA writers say that Sunday worship was started by Emperor Constantine. HE DID NOT!
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
C. According to the Prophecies of the Lord Jesus in Matt.24, the Sabbath will be observed in the "New Earth" Isa 66:22,23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
D. The Sabbath is a sign, a special covenant between Him (Christ) and Israel. Exo 31:12-17 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant. It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Now let me hear your response.........oh by the way, where are you in India? oh my wouldn't that be something if we were with the same bunch...
GE:
Better memorise your speech well -- I think you're gonna need it in the day of judgment.
Sorry Bob, meant it for Shilo's trumpeting his own virtues saying at the same time he's no legalist.
And EdSutton's -- posts 36 and 39
A legalist is one who boasts his good work of no good works; who always has some improvement of his own on God's Law.
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Dear Shiilly 'n Sheddie, how shiver and shake the sure!
Dear Shiilly 'n Sheddie, how shiver and shake the sure!
Ja, and not one have you not MISQUOTED. Ordinary oukies like me and the SDAs are able too to read between the lines even though there is NOTHING said. Your nothing added is far too much added and distorted already; please don't try to say anything more -- it can only get worse.
Shiloh says:
The Lord Jesus didn't keep the "Sabbath." Joh 5:17,18 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
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unfortunately Shiloah doesnt understand that Jesus was always being ACCUSED of breaking the Sabbath, that doesnt mean He actually broke it. He never sinned. He couldnt be our atonement if He had of sinned.
Mt:12:10: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mt:12:11: And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mt:12:12: How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
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Matthew 12:
1: At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2: But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3: But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4: How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5: Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6: But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7: But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
The Pharisees just didnt understand the real meaning of the Sabbath. Love is the foundation of the law...
The Lord Jesus didn't keep the "Sabbath." Joh 5:17,18 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
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unfortunately Shiloah doesnt understand that Jesus was always being ACCUSED of breaking the Sabbath, that doesnt mean He actually broke it. He never sinned. He couldnt be our atonement if He had of sinned.
Mt:12:10: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mt:12:11: And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mt:12:12: How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
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Matthew 12:
1: At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2: But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3: But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4: How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5: Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6: But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7: But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
The Pharisees just didnt understand the real meaning of the Sabbath. Love is the foundation of the law...
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EdSutton will take the credit or blame, as the case may be, for posts #9 and #39, but not for post #36, as I did not compose it, FTR.Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
Oh yeah, Gerhard Ebersoehn, sorry if I do bore you, as you insinuated, (if I misread, I apologize) by attempting to expound on something, rather than just spout off smart remarks or pithy sayings.
I really can't compete, as an amateur, with some of the many pros we find here on the BB. :laugh: :laugh:
Ed
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Ja, and not one have you not MISQUOTED. Ordinary oukies like me and the SDAs are able too to read between the lines even though there is NOTHING said. Your nothing added is far too much added and distorted already; please don't try to say anything more -- it can only get worse. by GE
I am sorry GE. All I have put forth is Bible. If you don't believe that, then you are in as bad shape as the SDA's.
I didn't intend for you to read between the lines. I thought I made my self clear. You Scripture twisters are sure having a hay day with distorting and denying the plain Word of God.
Titus 2:11 There Claudia, Bobr, Bro. Bob and Mr....you know, is your saving GRACE.
I am sorry GE. All I have put forth is Bible. If you don't believe that, then you are in as bad shape as the SDA's.
I didn't intend for you to read between the lines. I thought I made my self clear. You Scripture twisters are sure having a hay day with distorting and denying the plain Word of God.
Titus 2:11 There Claudia, Bobr, Bro. Bob and Mr....you know, is your saving GRACE.
I was talking to you Claudia.Claudia_T said:
Just because the Pharisees accused Jesus (falsely) of breaking the Sabbath, does that mean that their accusation was true. If it wasn't true, then why use it as a proof text that Jesus was supposed to keep the Sabbath. He was Lord of the Sabbath, not a servant to it.