Say what you want, you reject scripture. Nothing about that passage is allegorical. Nothing in the context hints of it. It is simply your method of rejecting Scripture.
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The sad state of family life in the UK
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Do your beliefs align with any of them?
In your opinion. Who appointed you the sole correct interpreter of Scripture?
Will you answer my question first.
Is anything in the context of the passage suggestive of being non literal? If so, what?
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, you can choose any of them.
nuclear family = mother + father, married, then children. Grandparents and aunts and uncles are extended family.
Well, that's what I was trying to get at - the out of wedlock rate in this country is high when it comes to blacks and hispanics, but it's around 30% for whites, which is still too high.
The UK is much whiter, yet they have even a higher out of wedlock rate but it still isn't as high as in white countries such as Norway. So, why? Christianity may be an answer but most American blacks and hispanics are Christians, and look at them. Seems like high rates of atheism and agnosticism are more the problem in Europe but in the US, Asians have the lowest rate of all?
Well, that's what I was trying to get at - the out of wedlock rate in this country is high when it comes to blacks and hispanics, but it's around 30% for whites, which is still too high.
The UK is much whiter, yet they have even a higher out of wedlock rate but it still isn't as high as in white countries such as Norway. So, why? Christianity may be an answer but most American blacks and hispanics are Christians, and look at them. Seems like high rates of atheism and agnosticism are more the problem in Europe but in the US, Asians have the lowest rate of all?
Apart from the fact that a literal interpretation produces a blasphemous result? Any other reason you're after?
Advise me which one, and why they're better than the others.
Only your particular brand of Baptists. This is a false gospel. This represents the type of Messiah the Jews wanted, one that would establish an earthly kingdom. That's why they rejected Jesus and crucified Him. I hope you understand this before it's too late.
I understand that your breed of Baptists sat idly by while the Godless heathens almost took our nation from us.
Pick any one.
How is it blasphemous?
Which means that God doesn't belong anywhere in society except within the walls of a church. He is not to be mentioned or shared outside that brotherhood.
British society is reflective of that attitude. Evangelism is not allowed, according to our resident member.
Strange that it was actually admitted to here. Of all places. By a member of this forum.
Because it constructs a false image of God that is diametrically opposed to how God is revealed and described elsewhere in Scripture
So doctrine doesn't matter to you? Why then are you picking me up on mine?
No it doesn't mean that. My point was that unregenerate members of society cannot be expected to behave in a Godly manner; the only such society that can so behave is the Church. To believe that society can be legislated into Godliness is to put the cart before the horse: it has been tried many times and doesn't work
On the contrary, that is the ONLY way to produce a more Godly society and is therefore an imperative.
I'm not quite sure what you think I've admitted but I don't think it's what you think it is.
Nice quote - that's why I have stayed out from this braying match.
BUT
I do get into a whistling match with blackbirds.
Now we are getting somewhere - the Gospel cause has always been a rejection of tradition in favour of the Word of God.
Micah 6:16 You have observed the statutes of Omri and all the practices of Ahab’s house; you have followed their traditions. Therefore I will give you over to ruin and your people to derision; you will bear the scorn of the nations.’
Matthew 15:2 ‘Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!’
Matthew 15:3 Jesus replied, ‘And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
Matthew 15:5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is “devoted to God,” 6 they are not to “honour their father or mother” with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ‘“These people honour me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.”’
Matthew 15:2 ‘Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!’
Matthew 15:3 Jesus replied, ‘And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
Matthew 15:5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is “devoted to God,” 6 they are not to “honour their father or mother” with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ‘“These people honour me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.”’
Are you, Reynolds, a RC with all you emphasis on tradition?
Traditional Protestant beliefs embraced by Lutherans, Calvinists, Anglicans, Puritans, Presbyterians - the main Protestant denominations arising out of the Reformation included -
infant baptism;
state-church links resulting a national or established church;
the persecution of "heretics" including independent & ana-credobaptist Christians aka dissenters.
To which 'nation' do you refer? My citizenship is in Heaven (and no heathen will ever take that from me!) - where is yours?
500 years ago there weren't Baptists in England. Now there are. Does that mean the Baptists have "departed from the traditions of the faith"? 200 years ago there weren't Dispensationalists in England worth mentioning. Now there are many. Have they likewise "departed from the traditions of the faith"?