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The same Children....Jn6.....Hebrews 2

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In a recent thread that was closed we saw conclusively that God has a Covenant children that are Given by the Father to the Son.

Far from being a "man made doctrine"...it is a divinely revealed truth.

The Lord Jesus Christ revealed the Father during the time of His incarnation.

As a part of that additional revelation He revealed the Covenant of redemption in these words in John 6;

All that the Father gives to me shall come to me, and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

This is clear and certain language. A multitude of people are given to the Son who will seek and save them. This is so clear only a mad man would seek to oppose it:laugh:

How much comfort do you take in such solid promises knowing the same truth has been revealed in Hebrews 2;9-17 ?
 

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John 17:2:

"For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him."
 

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John 17:2:

"For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him."


Clearly it is not all men who ever lived...but only those GIVEN.....

SEE THE PROMISE HERE;

24 Father,

1] I will that they also,

2] whom thou hast given me,

3] be with me

4] where I am;

that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.


only a person with a wrong worldview would not rejoice in this:wavey::thumbs:
 

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CHS......on why not all men are coming......
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0182.htm


I do not come into this pulpit hoping that perhaps somebody will of his own free will return to Christ. My hope lies in another quarter. I hope that my Master will lay hold of some of them and say, "You are mine, and you shall be mine. I claim you for myself." My hope arises from the freeness of grace, and not from the freedom of the will.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon

Those claimed in this way would be the Children.

Speaking of those who come;

Coming to Christ is the very first effect of regeneration.
No sooner is the soul quickened than it at once discovers its lost estate,
is horrified thereat, looks out for a refuge,
and believing Christ to be a suitable one, flies to him and reposes in him.

Where there is not this coming to Christ, it is certain that there is as yet no quickening;

where there is no quickening, the soul is dead in trespasses and sins,

and being dead it cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven



We have before us now an announcement very startling, some say very obnoxious. Coming to Christ, though described by some people as being the very easiest thing in all the world, is in our text declared to be a thing utterly and entirely impossible to any man, unless the Father shall draw him to Christ. It shall be our business, then, to enlarge upon this declaration. We doubt not that it will always be offensive to carnal nature, but, nevertheless, the offending of human nature is sometimes the first step towards bringing it to bow itself before God


Now, if the preaching of Christ himself did not avail to the enabling these men to come to Christ, it cannot be possible that all that was intended by the drawing of the Father was simply preaching. No, brethren, you must note again, he does not say no man can come except the minister draw him, but except the Father draw him. Now there is such a thing as being drawn by the gospel, and drawn by the minister, without being drawn by God. Clearly, it is a divine drawing that is meant, a drawing by the Most High God—the First Person of the most glorious Trinity sending out the Third Person, the Holy Spirit, to induce men to come to Christ
 
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on Heb2...CHS;
"He took not up angels, but he took up the seed of Abraham," by which is meant, that Christ did not die to save angels, though many of them needed salvation, but he died to save fallen man.



Now, I like every now and then to give the opponents of the great doctrines of grace something hard to put between their teeth.

I have often been told, that election is a most dreadful doctrine and to teach that God saves some, and lets other perish, is to make God unjust.



Sometimes I have asked how that was; and the usual answer I have got is this: Suppose a father should have a certain number of children, and he were to put some of his children into a terrible dungeon, and make the rest of them happy, would you think that father was just? Well, I reply, you have supposed a case, and I will answer you. Of course I should not: the child has a claim upon his father, and the father is bound to give him his claim; but I want to know what you mean by asking that question. How does that apply to the case of God?

I did not know that all men were God's children;


I knew that they were God's rebellious subjects,


but I did not know that they were his children.


I thought they did not become his children till they were born again,


and that when they were his children, he did treat them all alike, and did carry them all to heaven, and give them all a mansion; and I never did hear that he sent any of his children to hell;
 

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My dear unconverted hearers, when I see you brought to Christ, I will then advance beyond the rudiments of the gospel; but, meanwhile, while hell is gaping wide, and many of you will certainly help to fill it, I cannot turn aside from warning you. I dare not resist the sacred impulse which constrains me to preach over and over again to you the glad tidings of salvation. I shall, like John, continue laying the axe at the root of the trees, and shall not go beyond crying, "Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." As he did, we shall now declare the sad estate of him who believeth not the Son of God.

This morning, with the burden of the Lord upon us, we shall speak upon the words of the text. Our first point shall be a discovery of the guilty one, "he that believeth not the Son." Next, we shall consider his offense; it lies in "not believing the Son;" thirdly, we shall lay bare the sinful causes which create this unbelief; and, fourthly, we shall show the terrible result of not believing in the Son: "he shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him." May the Spirit help us in all.

In a great many, unbelief may be ascribed to a careless ignorance of the way of salvation. Now, I should not wonder if many of you imagine that, if you do not understand the gospel, you are therefore quite excused for not believing it. But, sirs, it is not so. You are placed in this world, not as heathens in the center of Africa, but in enlightened England, where you live in the full blaze of gospel day. There are places of worship all around you, which you can without difficulty attend. The book of God is very cheap; you have it in your houses; you can all read it or hear it read. Is it so, then, that the king has been pleased to reveal himself to you, and tell you the way to salvation, and yet you, at the age of twenty, thirty, or forty, do not know the way of salvation? What, do you mean, sir? What can you mean? Has God been pleased to reveal himself in Scripture, and tell you how to escape from hell and fly to heaven, and yet have you been too idle to inquire into that way? Dare you say to God, "I do not think it worth my while to learn what thou hast revealed, neither do I care to know of the gift which thou hast bestowed on men." How can you think that such ignorance is an excuse for your sin? What could be a more gross aggravation of it? If you do not know, you ought to know; if you have not learned the gospel message, you might have learned it, for there are, some of us whose language it is not difficult for even the most illiterate to understand, and who would, if we caught ourselves using a hard word, retract it, and put it into little syllables, so that not even a child's intellect need be perplexed by our language. Salvation's way is plain in the book; those words, "Believe and live," are in this Christian England almost as legible and as universally to be seen as though they were printed on the sky. That trust in the Lord Jesus saves the soul is well-known news. But, if you still say you have not known all this, then I reply, "Dear sir, do try to know it. Go to the Scriptures, study them, see what is there. Hear, also, the gospel, for it is written, "Incline your ear to come unto me; hear, and your soul shall live." Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." For your soul's sake I charge you, be no longer ignorant of that which you must know, or else must perish.
Park Street and Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit (Spurgeon)
1012 The Unbeliever's Unhappy Condition
THE UNBELIEVER'S UNHAPPY CONDITION.

NO. 1012

A SERMON DELIVERED ON LORD'S-DAY MORNING, SEPTEMBER 24TH, 1871,

BY C. H. SPURGEON,

Still the same Spurgeon. The unsaved can hear, understand and believe the gospel, as Spurgeon constantly urges them to do.
 

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1012 The Unbeliever's Unhappy Condition
THE UNBELIEVER'S UNHAPPY CONDITION.

NO. 1012

A SERMON DELIVERED ON LORD'S-DAY MORNING, SEPTEMBER 24TH, 1871,

BY C. H. SPURGEON,

Still the same Spurgeon. The unsaved can hear, understand and believe the gospel, as Spurgeon constantly urges them to do.

:thumbsup::applause::thumbsup:......yes.....and everyone of those given will be enabled to do just that:thumbsup: good link...DHK

From that same sermon;

The persons here spoken of are those who believe not the Son of God. Jesus Christ, out of infinite mercy, has come into the world, has taken upon himself our nature, and in that nature has suffered the just for the unjust, to bring us to God. By reason of his sufferings, the gospel message is now proclaimed to all men, and they are honestly assured that "whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." The unhappy persons in this text will not believe in Jesus Christ, they reject God's way of mercy; they hear the gospel, but refuse obedience to its command. Let it not be imagined that these individuals are necessarily avowed sceptics, for many of them believe much of revealed truth. They believe the Bible to be the word of God; they believe there is a God; they believe that Jesus Christ is come into the world as a Savior; they believe most of the doctrines which cluster around the cross. Alas! they may do this, but yet the wrath of God abideth on them, if they believe not the Son of God. It may surprise you to learn that many of these persons are very much interested in orthodoxy. They believe that they have discovered the truth, and they exceedingly value those discoveries, so that they frequently grow very warm in temper with those who differ from them. They have read much, and they are matters of argument in the defense of what they consider to be sound doctrine. They cannot endure heresy, and yet sad is the fact, that believing what they do, and knowing so much, they have not believed the Son of God. They believe the doctrine of election, but they have not the faith of God's elect: they swear by final perseverance, but persevere in unbelief. They confess all the five points of Calvinism, but they have not come to the one most needful point of looking unto Jesus, that they may be saved. They accept in creed the truths that are assuredly believed among us, but they have not received that faithful saying, worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; at any rate, they have not received it personally and practically for their souls' salvation.


Notice he loved souls enough to even warn those in the church who hold correct doctrine to make sure Christ was the true object of faith...even if they professed to hold the 5 pts.
 
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from the same sermon;

You go to sleep with an angry God gazing into your face, you wake in the morning, and if your eye were not dim, you would perceive his frowning countenance. He is angry with you, even when you are singing his praises, for you mock him with solemn sounds, upon a thoughtless tongue; angry with you on your knees, for you only pretend to pray, you utter words without heart. As long as you are not a believer, he must be angry with you every moment. "God is angry with the wicked every day."



That the text saith it abideth, and the present tense takes a long sweep, for it always will abide on you. But may you not, perhaps, escape from it, by ceasing to exist? The test precludes such an idea.

Although it says, that you "shall not see life," it teaches that God's wrath is upon you, so that the absence of life is not annihilation. Spiritual life belongs only to believers; you are now without that life, yet you exist, and wrath abides on you, and so it ever must be. While you shall not see life, you shall exist in eternal death, for the wrath of God cannot abide on a non-existent creature.

You shall not see life, but you shall feel wrath to the uttermost. It is horror enough that wrath should be on you now, it is horror upon horrors, and hell upon hell, that it shall be upon you for ever.
 

DHK

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from the same sermon;
You are quoting indiscriminately and fail to see the emphasis of his sermon.

Remember the text of the sermon:
"He that believed, not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." — Joh 3:36.

Now you quote from the sermon:
You shall not see life, but you shall feel wrath to the uttermost. It is horror enough that wrath should be on you now, it is horror upon horrors, and hell upon hell, that it shall be upon you for ever.

But his emphasis is on believing or not believing, not on election or predestination.
All of the responsibility is put on the unconverted, the unbeliever to read the gospel, understand it, and on that basis choose Christ.
That is the total opposite of what you have been saying in the last thread. Spurgeon believes there is no reason for the unconverted that they cannot understand the gospel so that they cannot be saved. It is their responsibility to understand it and then to believe it, or they will face the horrors of hell. Not once did he mention they were predestined to go there.

In fact, Spurgeon is appalled at those who pretend they have an excuse for not believing. Read carefully:
if you do not understand the gospel, you are therefore quite excused for not believing it. But, sirs, it is not so. You are placed in this world, not as heathens in the center of Africa, but in enlightened England, where you live in the full blaze of gospel day. There are places of worship all around you, which you can without difficulty attend. The book of God is very cheap; you have it in your houses; you can all read it or hear it read. Is it so, then, that the king has been pleased to reveal himself to you, and tell you the way to salvation, and yet you, at the age of twenty, thirty, or forty, do not know the way of salvation? What, do you mean, sir? What can you mean? Has God been pleased to reveal himself in Scripture, and tell you how to escape from hell and fly to heaven, and yet have you been too idle to inquire into that way? Dare you say to God, "I do not think it worth my while to learn what thou hast revealed, neither do I care to know of the gift which thou hast bestowed on men." How can you think that such ignorance is an excuse for your sin?
Clearly there is no reason for the unconverted not understanding the gospel and not believing the gospel according to Spurgeon.
 

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You are quoting indiscriminately and fail to see the emphasis of his sermon.

Remember the text of the sermon:
"He that believed, not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." — Joh 3:36.

Now you quote from the sermon:
You shall not see life, but you shall feel wrath to the uttermost. It is horror enough that wrath should be on you now, it is horror upon horrors, and hell upon hell, that it shall be upon you for ever.

But his emphasis is on believing or not believing, not on election or predestination.
All of the responsibility is put on the unconverted, the unbeliever to read the gospel, understand it, and on that basis choose Christ.
That is the total opposite of what you have been saying in the last thread. Spurgeon believes there is no reason for the unconverted that they cannot understand the gospel so that they cannot be saved. It is their responsibility to understand it and then to believe it, or they will face the horrors of hell. Not once did he mention they were predestined to go there.

In fact, Spurgeon is appalled at those who pretend they have an excuse for not believing. Read carefully:

Clearly there is no reason for the unconverted not understanding the gospel and not believing the gospel according to Spurgeon.

The word of God is a two edged sword. Spurgeon saw both sides of that sword. We also need to see both sides of it as he and countless others do.
Sometimes he spoke of one aspect.....sometime another.
The other sermon I posted a bit from was named....Human Inability.
This thread is about these two sections of Scripture and how they mesh together.
Spurgeon believed Adam and all men with him DIED at the fall.They were not only wounded as you suggest.
Spurgeon did not believe that as his sermons and the Catechism he used teach truth on these matters. No he remained faithful to scripture and preached on both sides of the sword as he railed against Arminian thought.

Now you say the emphasis was on believing or not believing. ...but not election or predestination as if they are two separate and unrelated things......this is where you go wrong again.
Biblical theology links all things together. Once again.....every verse does not use every word or every doctrine does not have to be mentioned every single time. .....but the truth does nor disappear as you would want it to.

For anyone to suggest that CHS was not a full 5 pt Christian is dishonest.......so.I am sure you are not suggesting that.....right?
 
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In a recent thread that was closed we saw conclusively that God has a Covenant children that are Given by the Father to the Son.

Far from being a "man made doctrine"...it is a divinely revealed truth.

The Lord Jesus Christ revealed the Father during the time of His incarnation.

As a part of that additional revelation He revealed the Covenant of redemption in these words in John 6;

All that the Father gives to me shall come to me, and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

This is clear and certain language. A multitude of people are given to the Son who will seek and save them. This is so clear only a mad man would seek to oppose it:laugh:

How much comfort do you take in such solid promises knowing the same truth has been revealed in Hebrews 2;9-17 ?
I take the utmost comfort.

Here are some snips from Charles H. Spurgeon's sermon : The Blood Of The Everlasting Covenant.

"All for who Christ died shall be pardoned, all justified, all adopted. The Spirit shall quicken them all, shall give them all faith, shall bring them all to heaven..."

"...let us see what were the objects of this covenant. Was this covenant made for every man of the race of Adam? Assuredly not..."

"The covenant --to come at once straight to the matter, however offensive the doctrine may be --the covenant has relationship to the elect and none besides. Does this offend you?"
 

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I take the utmost comfort.

Here are some snips from Charles H. Spurgeon's sermon : The Blood Of The Everlasting Covenant.

"All for who Christ died shall be pardoned, all justified, all adopted. The Spirit shall quicken them all, shall give them all faith, shall bring them all to heaven..."

"...let us see what were the objects of this covenant. Was this covenant made for every man of the race of Adam? Assuredly not..."

"The covenant --to come at once straight to the matter, however offensive the doctrine may be --the covenant has relationship to the elect and none besides. Does this offend you?"

:thumbsup::wavey::thumbsup:
 

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In a recent thread that was closed we saw conclusively that God has a Covenant children that are Given by the Father to the Son.

Far from being a "man made doctrine"...it is a divinely revealed truth.

The Lord Jesus Christ revealed the Father during the time of His incarnation.

As a part of that additional revelation He revealed the Covenant of redemption in these words in John 6;

All that the Father gives to me shall come to me, and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

This is clear and certain language. A multitude of people are given to the Son who will seek and save them. This is so clear only a mad man would seek to oppose it:laugh:

How much comfort do you take in such solid promises knowing the same truth has been revealed in Hebrews 2;9-17 ?

Hebrews 11:
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Faith saves and those who diligently seek HIM are rewarded. The writer of Hebrews that is the Holy Spirit says they come to God by Faith and those who come seeking are rewarded.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

He paid the price for the sin of everyone.
But according to Romans many things will occur for a person until Faith in Christ comes.

Romans 7:
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

In the flesh that is one who has not believed upon of Christ, the motions of sin by the law worked in their life just it worked in our life. Being delivered from the dead that is delivered from being separated from God Spiritually, we can serve in newness of Spirit. The Grace Covenant is effective in the Dispensation of Grace. The Jewish believer was to follow the law but since they couldn't they offered propitiatory sacrifices each year, that sacrifice has been paid for all.

1 Corinthians 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

Because of Faith we have the Spirit of God and He indwells and fills us again something that the O.T. believer didn't have and part of the New Testamant covenant in the Dispensation of grace. The Holy Spirit is in us to teach us but we must be filled with the Spirit in order to understand spiritual things and that Happens first at Salvation and then must be manintained bhy Confession of sin.

Romans 4:
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Without faith we cannot have imputation of Righteousness, you see Believing on Christ saves, the payment or appeasement for sin has been paid in full by Christ for all mankind but Righteous, right standing with God and His righteousness cannot occur without faith.

Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Righteousness is from Faith, while the propitiatory sacrifice is paid one cannot have the Righteousness required by God without faith. That is Faith in the one who paid the ultimate Price and brought salvation to all who believe. Faith brings justification that is God will not act in removing the guilt and penalty of sin while at the same time declaring a sinner righteous through Christ's atoning sacrifice until Faith occurs. The atoning sacrifice is made by Jesus and accomplished by His efficacious death on the cross. Propitiation has been accomplished for all that makes the Dispensation of grace and the covenant of effective for all who believe.

Romans 3:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith

God set forth Christ as the propitiation, faith in His blood brings a declaration of righteousness for all who come in faith. We are declared justified not by His propitiation but by our Faith in that Propitiation.

Because of the Covenant of Grace in the Dispensation of Grace all mankind can be saved by Faith in Christ plus nothing. They must only believe in the Savior, that is the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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The word of God is a two edged sword. Spurgeon saw both sides of that sword. We also need to see both sides of it as he and countless others do.
Sometimes he spoke of one aspect.....sometime another.
The other sermon I posted a bit from was named....Human Inability.
This thread is about these two sections of Scripture and how they mesh together.
Spurgeon believed Adam and all men with him DIED at the fall.They were not only wounded as you suggest.
Spurgeon did not believe that as his sermons and the Catechism he used teach truth on these matters. No he remained faithful to scripture and preached on both sides of the sword as he railed against Arminian thought.

Now you say the emphasis was on believing or not believing. ...but not election or predestination as if they are two separate and unrelated things......this is where you go wrong again.
Biblical theology links all things together. Once again.....every verse does not use every word or every doctrine does not have to be mentioned every single time. .....but the truth does nor disappear as you would want it to.

For anyone to suggest that CHS was not a full 5 pt Christian is dishonest.......so.I am sure you are not suggesting that.....right?
You don't have to lecture me about Spurgeon. All of my quotes have been taken from one the sermon, the same sermon that I gave you the reference to you. As you just admitted you were deceitful and took quotes from another sermon trying to make Spurgeon contradict what he said. Thus his words were out of context weren't they?

Spurgeon would consider you a rabid hyper-Calvinist and would disagree with you if he were alive today.
In the same sermon that I quoted from yesterday I will quote from again:
They confess all the five points of Calvinism, but they have not come to the one most needful point of looking unto Jesus, that they may be saved. They accept in creed the truths that are assuredly believed among us, but they have not received that faithful saying, worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; at any rate, they have not received it personally and practically for their souls' salvation.
Even as a professed Calvinist you don't agree with what Spurgeon believed. He believed that Salvation was by faith in Christ, that one must believe in order to be saved.
"The most needful point was looking to Jesus." That is not what you believe.
Is it?
 

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Rmc

Hebrews 11 is the faith chapter and that is great all by itself......

This thread however is about the children given from The Father to The Son.

Try and address that idea.

1 jn 2 dealing with propitiation is also a good topic and yet that also is not the topic of this thread.

It looks like you are still not understanding biblical propitiation yet.....perhaps we can have a thread or two on it.

Yes......you are raising issues....now your dispensation of grace idea......not the focus here.

Focus on the children given by the Father.....
 

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You don't have to lecture me about Spurgeon. All of my quotes have been taken from one the sermon, the same sermon that I gave you the reference to you. As you just admitted you were deceitful and took quotes from another sermon trying to make Spurgeon contradict what he said. Thus his words were out of context weren't they?

Spurgeon would consider you a rabid hyper-Calvinist and would disagree with you if he were alive today.
In the same sermon that I quoted from yesterday I will quote from again:

Even as a professed Calvinist you don't agree with what Spurgeon believed. He believed that Salvation was by faith in Christ, that one must believe in order to be saved.
"The most needful point was looking to Jesus." That is not what you believe.
Is it?

You cannot be honest at all evidently.

I posted from Spurgeon to show what he actually believed as he used the same Confession and Catechism I use.

Your attempt to try and portray me as dishonest is both shallow and disingenuous :thumbs:

Spurgeon would give 4 thumbs up to my posts and reject yours.When I get to a Keyboard I will bury you in a new thread of Spurgeon sermons and quotes that reject your falsehoods quite clearly.
Others here who have read Spurgeon know what is coming....lol....:laugh::laugh:

I have all of Spurgeon writings.....all his sermons.....I know what you do not but as you persist in your dishonest statements I will take it upon myself to help you get your mind right....:thumbs:
 

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You can see the central theme of the bible is Christ and His peoples.

In Ezekiel 34, this is a wonderful picture of Him being their Shepherd.

In Hosea, you can see a picture of Christ being the ever faithful Husband who buys His bride back.

In Exodus 12, you can see Him as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

In Leviticus 16, you can see Him as the Sinbearer by being the Scapegoat that took their sins into the wilderness.

In Numbers 20, you can see Him as the Rock that brought forth water after it was smoted by Moses.

In all of these passages, there was a peoples God had in mind, His sheep, the Lamb's bride.
 

DHK

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You cannot be honest at all evidently.

I posted from Spurgeon to show what he actually believed as he used the same Confession and Catechism I use.

Your attempt to try and portray me as dishonest is both shallow and disingenuous :thumbs:

Spurgeon would give 4 thumbs up to my posts and reject yours.When I get to a Keyboard I will bury you in a new thread of Spurgeon sermons and quotes that reject your falsehoods quite clearly.
Others here who have read Spurgeon know what is coming....lol....:laugh::laugh:

I have all of Spurgeon writings.....all his sermons.....I know what you do not but as you persist in your dishonest statements I will take it upon myself to help you get your mind right....:thumbs:
I don't want a thread of Spurgeon quotes. That is not my purpose.
I gave you one solid sermon on a text on John 3:36 which, if exegeted properly, requires one to admit that one must believe in order to be saved. Spurgeon knew that and is honest in his exegesis. The Calvinists here are not honest but cling to their Calvinism in spite of what the Bible says.

Spurgeon set aside his Calvinism when the Bible said otherwise. He admitted as much.

They confess all the five points of Calvinism, but they have not come to the one most needful point of looking unto Jesus, that they may be saved.
--But your devotion to Calvin and your pride won't allow you to do the same.
 

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DHK

Even as a professed Calvinist you don't agree with what Spurgeon believed. He believed that Salvation was by faith in Christ, that one must believe in order to be saved.
"The most needful point was looking to Jesus." That is not what you believe.
Is it?


Once again you try and speak for me and show yourself to need to sit in the corner like a bad little boy wearing the dunce cap....lol
Every Christian believes in the 5 solas....Do not a. Use me of such a thing unless you post where I say such
 

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Even as a professed Calvinist you don't agree with what Spurgeon believed. He believed that Salvation was by faith in Christ, that one must believe in order to be saved.
"The most needful point was looking to Jesus." That is not what you believe.
Is it?


Once again you try and speak for me and show yourself to need to sit in the corner like a bad little boy wearing the dunce cap....lol
Every Christian believes in the 5 solas....Do not a. Use me of such a thing unless you post where I say such
Will do.
In a now closed thread, in this post:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2238443&postcount=308

you said:
no...they can hear the historic facts and claims of the gospel. but they CANNOT savingly grasp it unless enabled to by God.
Go back and read the quotes by Spurgeon. His whole emphasis was:
Go home and read your Bibles. Understand what the Gospel is. There is no excuse for you not to understand. We are not in the middle of Africa. There is no excuse for your unbelief. There is no excuse for you not to be saved.

This is directly opposite to what you believe.
He does not believe in the doctrine of reprobation. If he does he contradicts himself in this sermon where he tells the unconverted to go home, understand, and believe. You have no excuse.

He preaches sola fide; you throw it out the window.
 
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