Brightfame52
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Christs resurrection is what causes them He died for to be born again, His Death and Resurrection saved them He died for, His Death saved them legally, and His resurrection saves them Spiritually.
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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Brightfame52
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Everyone Christ died for were redeemed from the curse of the law, so the ones that are cursed into everlasting fire, He couldn't have died for them
Silverhair
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The is a rather dumb comment BF, but just the type I have come to expect from you.
I trust what the bible says BF, you should try that sometime.
Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
Silverhair
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So once again you prompt universalism. Why do you not trust the word of God.
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Brightfame52
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Brightfame52
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Thats the elect
Silverhair
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Look at what you just posted BF.
Christs resurrection is what causes them He died for to be born again,
His Death and Resurrection saved them He died for
Now you are agreeing with what I have been saying all along.
But the question you have to answer is who did He die for?
Not just your C/R elect BF.
HE DIED FOR
Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh 3:15 whoever believes in Him
Joh_3:17 the world
Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18 whoever believes
1Jn_2:2 sins of the whole world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
Rom_5:8-10 us while we were sinners
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Mat_20:28 the many
Joh_11:50-51 Israel
Eph_5:25 the Church
Gal_2:20 “me”
Silverhair
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Only in response to your silly comments BF.
As I have said more than once BF if Christ had not been raised from the grave we would not have a savior that could save us.
We are saved through faith in the risen Christ.
1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
Mat_16:21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
Notice BF that as Christ said these are things that MUST happen.
Rom 4:23 Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him,
Rom 4:24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
Rom 4:25 He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.
Silverhair
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That is not what the text says BF. You are reading your C/R philosophy into the text.
Or are you sticking with your universalism and saying that the whole world will be saved?
You do this all the time and you see where it has lead you, to a false understanding of the word of God.
The "Elect One" is Jesus Christ and we are only elect when we are in Him and that only happens when we have freely trusted in the risen Christ.
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
No, you deny that Jesus death saves, I dont agree with that heresy. His Resurrection also saves, its the source of the New Birth. The Death of Christ has that saving effect, the resurrection proves it.
No, you deny that Jesus death saves, I dont agree with that heresy. His Resurrection also saves, its the source of the New Birth. The Death of Christ has that saving effect, the resurrection proves it.
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
So then you said it, and its heresy. It does save, it reconciled the elect to God Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Reconciliation is a part of salvation, the reconciled are not charged with sin, so they are saved from the penalty of sin. Thats not everybody unless you are a universalist, which is also heresy
So then you said it, and its heresy. It does save, it reconciled the elect to God Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Reconciliation is a part of salvation, the reconciled are not charged with sin, so they are saved from the penalty of sin. Thats not everybody unless you are a universalist, which is also heresy
Brightfame52
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Silverhair
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Sorry BF the word of God disagrees with you.
Silverhair
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Being reconciled to God does not man saved BF.
Silverhair
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It does not say that only little green men will be saved either so by yur logic should we expect little green men to be with us in heaven.
The bible does not say a lot of things that you claim BF but at least now we know how you come to your off beat theology. You just read into the text what you need to find. So it is not the word of God you believe but what you think the word of God says.
Brightfame52
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Another passage of scripture that Illustrates and proves that Christs death effects saving/converting results is 1 Pet 1:18-21
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Brightfame52
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I dont agree with your Christ dishonoring statement," the death of Christ saved no one" that blasphemy isnt written nowhere in scripture friend.
Brightfame52
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More speaking against the saving, reconciling death of Christ. Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
They are saved, reconciled, accepted in the beloved, in Gods Favor. The word reconciled means:
καταλλάσσω:
- return to favour with, be reconciled to one
- to receive one into favour
To be in Gods favour is life and blessing Prov 8:35
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.
This is through and because of Christs death !
Brightfame52
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It doesnt say everyone without exception.
Silverhair
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BF look at what you put in bold?
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Their faith in in the risen Christ BF. That is why one is saved.
Christ had to die to cover all of humanities sins and was raised for our justification through faith.
Rom_4:25 He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.
You continue to read into the text what is not there BF. And you also continue to deny what is written there.