The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[Brightfame52]

I do not deny the efficacy of the death of Christ. What does the bible tell us?

1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

He covered the sins of all humanity and those that trust in the risen Christ will be saved.

The bible does not support your failed view BF.

You erroneously believe and teach that sinners Christ died for, shall yet die in their sins ! Thats dishonoring to Christ !

You teach people Christ died for and reconciled to God, shall yet be cast into the lake of fire for their sins.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you are still denying what the bible tells us. He covered the sins of humanity, the whole world.

You will continue to deny scripture and search for verses that you think support your view but to no avail.

Joh 3:14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You look at a scripture that says He Justified them He died for and then you flat out deny it

 

[Silverhair]

He died for them He Justified from their sins, purged them away Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

He sat down because He saved them from their sins. You flat out deny it, that is not faith in Christ and His finish saving work

As I said before your misunderstanding of the text leads to universalism. Are you a universalist BF?

 

[Silverhair]

You erroneously believe and teach that sinners Christ died for, shall yet die in their sins ! Thats dishonoring to Christ !

You teach people Christ died for and reconciled to God, shall yet be cast into the lake of fire for their sins.

Where do you come up with these stupid ideas BF?

When you makes these dumb comments it just proves that you have lost it completely. Logic and you do not go together.

 

[Silverhair]

You look at a scripture that says He Justified them He died for and then you flat out deny it

How do you miss the words "whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

Note the qualifier there BF, believe.

Pagan philosophy has rotted your mind and you cannot see the truth of scripture.

But enough of this BF, I have provided the biblical truth and you continue to deny it.

 

[Brightfame52]

As I said before your misunderstanding of the text leads to universalism. Are you a universalist BF?

Impossible, because everyone's sins arent purged away. How about them who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 ? Can you explain why they die in their sins if Christ purged them away ?

 

[Brightfame52]

How do you miss the words "whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

Note the qualifier there BF, believe.

Pagan philosophy has rotted your mind and you cannot see the truth of scripture.

But enough of this BF, I have provided the biblical truth and you continue to deny it.

You look at a scripture that says He Justified them He died for and then you flat out deny it. Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

 

[Silverhair]

Impossible, because everyone's sins arent purged away. How about them who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 ? Can you explain why they die in their sins if Christ purged them away ?

The sins of all humanity have been covered/atoned for BF. Just as the bible tells us in 1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for sins.

And as Rom 5:10m tells us, we are saved by His life.

It is not hard to understand if you will just trust the bible.

 

[Silverhair]

You look at a scripture that says He Justified them He died for and then you flat out deny it. Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Why do you go back to the OT so you can deny what the NT says BF?

So are you now saying that Christ did not die for

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh 3:15 whoever believes in Him
Joh_3:17 the world
Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18 whoever believes
1Jn_2:2 the whole world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
Rom_5:8-10 while we were sinners
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Mat_20:28 many
Joh_11:50-51 Israel
Eph_5:25 the Church
Gal_2:20 “me”

Tell me BF who in humanity is excluded in that list?

It is not the bible that is selective of whom Christ died for it is your false philosophy that does that.

You are working way to hard in trying to deny the love of God for His creation.

 

[Brightfame52]

The sins of all humanity have been covered/atoned for BF. Just as the bible tells us in 1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for sins.

And as Rom 5:10m tells us, we are saved by His life.

It is not hard to understand if you will just trust the bible.

False, the sins of them going to hell for their sins have not been covered by Christs atonement. Thats double jeopardy, unjust, now you insinuating God is unjust

 

[Brightfame52]

Why do you go back to the OT so you can deny what the NT says BF?

So are you now saying that Christ did not die for

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh 3:15 whoever believes in Him
Joh_3:17 the world
Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18 whoever believes
1Jn_2:2 the whole world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
Rom_5:8-10 while we were sinners
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Mat_20:28 many
Joh_11:50-51 Israel
Eph_5:25 the Church
Gal_2:20 “me”

Tell me BF who in humanity is excluded in that list?

It is not the bible that is selective of whom Christ died for it is your false philosophy that does that.

You are working way to hard in trying to deny the love of God for His creation.

You look at scripture and flat out deny it Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

How were they Justified ?

 

[JonC]

The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation . . .

Perhaps because that statement incomplete. The Bible also states that Jesus became a life giving Spirit. This is after Jesus' death, and our salvation is dependent on this Life.

 

[Silverhair]

False, the sins of them going to hell for their sins have not been covered by Christs atonement. Thats double jeopardy, unjust, now you insinuating God is unjust

So you continue to deny clear scripture [1Jn 2:2] so you can hold to your false religion. that says "double jeopardy" which we do not find in scripture. You just keep digging a deeper hole BF.

Rom 3:21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

God has set the condition for salvation BF and you keep denying this.
Christ was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world and you deny this
Christ died for
Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh 3:15 whoever believes in Him
Joh_3:17 the world
Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18 whoever believes
1Jn_2:2 the whole world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
Rom_5:8-10 while we were sinners
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Mat_20:28 many
Joh_11:50-51 Israel
Eph_5:25 the Church
Gal_2:20 “me”

And you deny this.

So my question for you BF is what do you believe from the word of God?

 

[Silverhair]

You look at scripture and flat out deny it Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

How were they Justified ?

What do we find in the NT, you know the one about the NEW COVENANT that we are under.

Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

It seems you have a hard time accepting anything from scripture that does not agree with your C/R philosophy.

You have your priorities wrong BF.

 

[Brightfame52]

Perhaps because that statement incomplete. The Bible also states that Jesus became a life giving Spirit. This is after Jesus' death, and our salvation is dependent on this Life.

Its not incomplete to me.

 

[Brightfame52]

So you continue to deny clear scripture [1Jn 2:2] so you can hold to your false religion. that says "double jeopardy" which we do not find in scripture. You just keep digging a deeper hole BF.

Rom 3:21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

God has set the condition for salvation BF and you keep denying this.
Christ was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world and you deny this
Christ died for
Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh 3:15 whoever believes in Him
Joh_3:17 the world
Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18 whoever believes
1Jn_2:2 the whole world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
Rom_5:8-10 while we were sinners
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Mat_20:28 many
Joh_11:50-51 Israel
Eph_5:25 the Church
Gal_2:20 “me”

And you deny this.

So my question for you BF is what do you believe from the word of God?

False, the sins of them going to hell for their sins have not been covered by Christs atonement. Thats double jeopardy, unjust, now you insinuating God is unjust. The sinners Christ died for the penalty of their sin is gone. Its impossible for them to die in any sin they commit, Justice to Christ wont have it, sorry

 

[Brightfame52]

What do we find in the NT, you know the one about the NEW COVENANT that we are under.

Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

It seems you have a hard time accepting anything from scripture that does not agree with your C/R philosophy.

You have your priorities wrong BF.

You look at scripture and flat out deny it Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

How were they Justified ?

The New Test preachers used the OT to preach Jesus, the Gospel. Paul used the OT scriptures to preach the Gospel, Philip used Isa 53 the very scripture passage Im using on you Acts 8:29-35

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Can a New Covenant Preacher reach Jesus from the book of Isaiah ?

 

[JonC]

Its not incomplete to me.

I didn't mean it was to you. I mean it is incomplete per God's Word (it is missing key biblical texts).

But I do realize that people can build on a few verses while ignoring others. I just believe in describing salvation every passage speaking of our salvation is important and none of God's Word should be ignored.

That said, I get the need for a more brief "gospel" than Scripture allows as many passages get in the way of the "theologies" we enjoy.

 

[Brightfame52]

I didn't mean it was to you. I mean it is incomplete per God's Word (it is missing key biblical texts).

But I do realize that people can build on a few verses while ignoring others. I just believe in describing salvation every passage speaking of our salvation is important and none of God's Word should be ignored.

That said, I get the need for a more brief "gospel" than Scripture allows as many passages get in the way of the "theologies" we enjoy.

Well its a broad subject, and explaining can go on for hours, says even. But when something is clearly stated, thats a good starting point. My objective has to be show from scripture that the death of Christ actually saved them He died for.

 

[Charlie24]

Well its a broad subject, and explaining can go on for hours, says even. But when something is clearly stated, thats a good starting point. My objective has to be show from scripture that the death of Christ actually saved them He died for.

You'll never be able to prove that from Scripture because it's not true!

The death and resurrection of Christ made it possible to be saved.

Even before His death on the Cross and His resurrection, faith in Him doing so in the future saved the OT saints.

You have totally and completely misunderstood what reconciliation means!