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BobRyan
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Steaver here we see that the "THEY" in this case "eat mice" and "destable things" (like bats, cats, horse and rats?) - they not only worship false gods - they also EAT these "destible things".
You seek to "spin" this AS IF the ONLY thing they are said to "DO" in this text is "worship false Gods" -- lets READ this text "sola scriptura" and SEE if the ONLY thing mentioned is the worship of false gods.
The Lord comes "in fire" as we see in Rev 19-20 (as we see in 2Thess 1, 2 Peter 3)
#2. Rendered by fire as we see in REv 20.
#3. Rendered on ALL flesh - ALL mankind as we see in Rev 20. "All nations"
#4. ALL nations gathered before God for judgment as we see in Jude and in Rev 20.
Why read this if you are simply going to turn a blind eye to it?
Do you consider it "wrong" for a Christian to refuse to ignore this text of scripture?
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You seek to "spin" this AS IF the ONLY thing they are said to "DO" in this text is "worship false Gods" -- lets READ this text "sola scriptura" and SEE if the ONLY thing mentioned is the worship of false gods.
Please note the "inconvenient details"
The Lord comes "in fire" as we see in Rev 19-20 (as we see in 2Thess 1, 2 Peter 3)
#1. Future judgment as we see in Rev 20.
#2. Rendered by fire as we see in REv 20.
#3. Rendered on ALL flesh - ALL mankind as we see in Rev 20. "All nations"
#4. ALL nations gathered before God for judgment as we see in Jude and in Rev 20.
Why read this if you are simply going to turn a blind eye to it?
Do you consider it "wrong" for a Christian to refuse to ignore this text of scripture?
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BobRyan
Well-Known Member
In Isaiah 66:15-18 we see those who rebel against God in violation of God's Word expressed in the first commandment given in Exodus 20 and in violation of God's Word found in Lev 11 regarding rats, cats, dogs and bats etc.
The attempt has been made here to say "pay no attention to that" as if this clear example of rebellion against God is "not to be a lesson to us".
How can that be right people? How can anyone take a "sola scriptura" approach to Isaiah 66:15-18 by simply "ignoring" what it says?
In Christ,
Bob
The attempt has been made here to say "pay no attention to that" as if this clear example of rebellion against God is "not to be a lesson to us".
How can that be right people? How can anyone take a "sola scriptura" approach to Isaiah 66:15-18 by simply "ignoring" what it says?
Please note the "inconvenient details"
In Christ,
Bob
Are you ready for the ten commandments day from MAY 5-7?
Learn about coming events, about your health, about your complete body, about the truth about every thing! about history, science. the new world order!
www.3abn.org
www.3abn.org
YOU ARE IN THE PICTURE!
PROPHECY IS FULFILLING!
A GROUP OF PEOPLE ALONG WITH THE Roman CHURCH, IN AMERICA ARE PUSHING FOR A NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW ,THAT WILL STOP EVERYONE FROM USING CASH , THAT WILL DIVIDE THE WHOLE WORLD UNDER TWO GROUPS.
An effort is underway to make May 7 Ten Commandments Day. This is proof that prophecy is fulfilling!
Every first sunday in the month, will be the ten commandments day according to them.
We will not be able TO USE MONEY ANY MORE according to REVELATON 13
THIS WILL SEPARATE THE WORLD INTO TWO GROUPS.
THOSE WHO WORSHIP GOD BY TAKING THEIR STAND ON ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS by keeping all ten, not nine of them but all ten.
REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12, 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
The second group WILL BE UNITED UNDER COUNTERFIET WORSHIP.
Please note: THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT IN THE BIBLE TO KEEP SUNDAY.
Jesus never forced any one to obey Him.
PROPHECY SAY, EVERYONE WILL BE FORCED TO KEEP COUNTERFIET NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW. IT IS COMING!
REVELATION 13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, who’s deadly wound was healed.
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may BUY or SELL except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
WATCH THE TV PROGRAM FOR MORE DETAILS!
http://www.prophecycode.org/meeting-list.asp
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/storacle_lessons.asp
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/study_guides.asp
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media/everlasting_gospel.asp
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/prophecy_seminars.htm
http://iiw.org/tvprogram/
In English and korean , just click, on the
http://www.adventist.or.kr/satellite/
about baptized paganism from a student of the Vatican university of Rome who got a medal from the pope of Rome .
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/free_library.asp
www.vop.or.kr
Watch the TV. 24 hours a day.
www.3abn.org
www.adventist.or.kr/ib/ct/view.html?no=104
-( this website talks about baptized paganism) if you do not like hearing the truth , please do not watch it!) because the truth hurts!
Great peace have they that love your law and nothing shall offend them! Psalm 119:165
Jesus loves everyone. He loves both the good and bad people the same way! He sends the rain upon the good and the bad , upon all those who love Him and upon all those who do not love Him. What love!
Jesus loves you and He wants to be your forever friend. John 14:6, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
It is written, John 3:16, For God so loved the world, that He gave His ONLY SON, TO DIE FOR EVERYONE! What love!
Learn about coming events, about your health, about your complete body, about the truth about every thing! about history, science. the new world order!
www.3abn.org
www.3abn.org
YOU ARE IN THE PICTURE!
PROPHECY IS FULFILLING!
A GROUP OF PEOPLE ALONG WITH THE Roman CHURCH, IN AMERICA ARE PUSHING FOR A NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW ,THAT WILL STOP EVERYONE FROM USING CASH , THAT WILL DIVIDE THE WHOLE WORLD UNDER TWO GROUPS.
An effort is underway to make May 7 Ten Commandments Day. This is proof that prophecy is fulfilling!
Every first sunday in the month, will be the ten commandments day according to them.
We will not be able TO USE MONEY ANY MORE according to REVELATON 13
THIS WILL SEPARATE THE WORLD INTO TWO GROUPS.
THOSE WHO WORSHIP GOD BY TAKING THEIR STAND ON ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS by keeping all ten, not nine of them but all ten.
REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12, 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
The second group WILL BE UNITED UNDER COUNTERFIET WORSHIP.
Please note: THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT IN THE BIBLE TO KEEP SUNDAY.
Jesus never forced any one to obey Him.
PROPHECY SAY, EVERYONE WILL BE FORCED TO KEEP COUNTERFIET NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW. IT IS COMING!
REVELATION 13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, who’s deadly wound was healed.
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may BUY or SELL except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
WATCH THE TV PROGRAM FOR MORE DETAILS!
http://www.prophecycode.org/meeting-list.asp
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/storacle_lessons.asp
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/study_guides.asp
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media/everlasting_gospel.asp
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/prophecy_seminars.htm
http://iiw.org/tvprogram/
In English and korean , just click, on the
http://www.adventist.or.kr/satellite/
about baptized paganism from a student of the Vatican university of Rome who got a medal from the pope of Rome .
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/free_library.asp
www.vop.or.kr
Watch the TV. 24 hours a day.
www.3abn.org
www.adventist.or.kr/ib/ct/view.html?no=104
-( this website talks about baptized paganism) if you do not like hearing the truth , please do not watch it!) because the truth hurts!
Great peace have they that love your law and nothing shall offend them! Psalm 119:165
Jesus loves everyone. He loves both the good and bad people the same way! He sends the rain upon the good and the bad , upon all those who love Him and upon all those who do not love Him. What love!
Jesus loves you and He wants to be your forever friend. John 14:6, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
It is written, John 3:16, For God so loved the world, that He gave His ONLY SON, TO DIE FOR EVERYONE! What love!
It is as plain as the nose on your face! You can spin it out of context all day long and cast the spin theology towards me if you like, but the "inconvienent fact" remains....
" They that sanctify themselves "
Christians do not eat pork to sanctify themselves!
Painfully obvious to you I am sure, but Ellen said so and she cannot be wrong because afterall she was the SDA one and only pope!
God Bless!
Steve,
I hate to say it but you are beginning to sound pretty pathetic with all your comments about Ellen White. Bob has done nothing but post Bible verses to you.
You dont seem like an honest guy to me anymore. If you were, you wouldnt feel the need to keep resorting to that. You would just plain give scripture verses to support your position. I am losing respect for you.
Your continued cracks about Ellen White just makes it painfully obvious that you dont have enough scripture to back up your position and so you have to resort to this stupidity.
You know good and well that Bob an Kamaroso and I have all posted Bible verses for our positions.
Claudia
I hate to say it but you are beginning to sound pretty pathetic with all your comments about Ellen White. Bob has done nothing but post Bible verses to you.
You dont seem like an honest guy to me anymore. If you were, you wouldnt feel the need to keep resorting to that. You would just plain give scripture verses to support your position. I am losing respect for you.
Your continued cracks about Ellen White just makes it painfully obvious that you dont have enough scripture to back up your position and so you have to resort to this stupidity.
You know good and well that Bob an Kamaroso and I have all posted Bible verses for our positions.
Claudia
Steaver, I hardly think that many SDA people refer to Ellen G White as the Pope, or as the Pope is termed by Roman Catholics - The Vicar of Christ.
The Pope is perpetual in the Catholic church and is regarded as God's living representative on earth. For the SDA to have a Pope, they would have to constantly have someone that is alive that they thought of as the Vicar of Christ.
The Pope is perpetual in the Catholic church and is regarded as God's living representative on earth. For the SDA to have a Pope, they would have to constantly have someone that is alive that they thought of as the Vicar of Christ.
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
Please note the "inconvenient details"
In Christ,
Bob </font>[/QUOTE]
The text did not say "They sanctify themselves BY EATING RATS" (as you seem to hope in order to spare those who wish to eat rats but still need to find a way to do so without "Sanctifying themselves"?? How odd is that twist of yours Steaver? Looking for "pure rat eating" apart from "sanctifying themselves"??? How odd Steaver - odd indeed!)
Steve,
You dont understand the main role of a prophet. The role of the old testament prophets was not to give new light but to point the people back to the light already given that had been neglected.
The warnings, admonitions, were to arouse God's people to recall what God had already told them.
Maranatha, page 44, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: An Infallible Guide
"We all need a guide through the many strait places in life as much as the sailor needs a pilot over the sandy bar or up the rocky river, and where is this guide to be found? We point you . . . to the Bible. Inspired of God, written by holy men, it points out with great clearness and precision the duties of both old and young. It elevates the mind, softens the heart, and imparts gladness and holy joy to the spirit. The Bible presents a perfect standard of character; it is an infallible guide under all circumstances, even to the end of the journey of life. Take it as the man of your counsel, the rule of your daily life. . . ." -EG White
at her funeral:
Life Sketches of Ellen G. White, page 471, paragraph 3
Chapter Title: The Funeral Services at Battle Creek
"No Christian teacher in this generation, no religious reformer in any preceding age, has placed a higher value upon the Bible. In all her writings it is represented as the book of all books, the supreme and all-sufficient guide for the whole human family. Not a trace of 'higher criticism,' 'new thought,' nor skeptical, destructive philosophy can be found in any of her writings. Those who still believe that the Bible is the inspired, infallible word of the living God will value most highly the positive, uncompromising support given this view in the writings of Mrs. White.
But you know that you just keep saying that about Ellen White to try to bother me and upset me.
Its just enough, already.
You dont understand the main role of a prophet. The role of the old testament prophets was not to give new light but to point the people back to the light already given that had been neglected.
The warnings, admonitions, were to arouse God's people to recall what God had already told them.
Maranatha, page 44, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: An Infallible Guide
"We all need a guide through the many strait places in life as much as the sailor needs a pilot over the sandy bar or up the rocky river, and where is this guide to be found? We point you . . . to the Bible. Inspired of God, written by holy men, it points out with great clearness and precision the duties of both old and young. It elevates the mind, softens the heart, and imparts gladness and holy joy to the spirit. The Bible presents a perfect standard of character; it is an infallible guide under all circumstances, even to the end of the journey of life. Take it as the man of your counsel, the rule of your daily life. . . ." -EG White
at her funeral:
Life Sketches of Ellen G. White, page 471, paragraph 3
Chapter Title: The Funeral Services at Battle Creek
"No Christian teacher in this generation, no religious reformer in any preceding age, has placed a higher value upon the Bible. In all her writings it is represented as the book of all books, the supreme and all-sufficient guide for the whole human family. Not a trace of 'higher criticism,' 'new thought,' nor skeptical, destructive philosophy can be found in any of her writings. Those who still believe that the Bible is the inspired, infallible word of the living God will value most highly the positive, uncompromising support given this view in the writings of Mrs. White.
But you know that you just keep saying that about Ellen White to try to bother me and upset me.
Its just enough, already.
of course I guess if you dont understand that God made the rules that He did because He wanted to protect us from disease, then you wont understand that concept, I guess.
Its not like God just sat around dreaming up new rules for the heck of it.
You know, like it wasnt a very smart thing to do in old testament times to steal from someone or to kill them or to commit adultery with their wife, and hey! its not a good idea to do that nowadays either!
Its not like God just sat around dreaming up new rules for the heck of it.
You know, like it wasnt a very smart thing to do in old testament times to steal from someone or to kill them or to commit adultery with their wife, and hey! its not a good idea to do that nowadays either!
Snitzelhoff
New Member
Claudia, Bob, sorry for the delay in responding. Weekend trip with some friends.
Claudia, again, I see where you're coming from, and I certainly agree with the idea of being health-conscious and that God knows what is best for us. However, I am a bit concerned when I read things like, "Let's try looking at the same passage but only from Matthew 15." The reason that concerns me is that the approach seems to disregard what Jesus clearly said in the Mark passage, supported in the other passages I cited. How can you reconcile the fact that Jesus does declare all meats "purged" with your view?
Bob, I'd like to point out that I'm not attempting to "nullify" the Word of God, but merely to see it as a whole, and when I look at it as a whole, I see passages (many of which I cited in previous posts) that seem to tell me that we am no longer bound by dietary laws. Also, Jesus called all meets purged in the Mark passage. I believe He broadened the context of the discussion to include all meats (or foods), mainly because He said "all meats." So did he mean it when He declared all meats purged or not?
Concerning the Acts 10 passage, God told Peter to kill and eat animals that, under the Old Covenant, were unclean. He was using that exercise to teach Peter a lesson, yet there is a crucial question which must be addressed: was God commanding Peter to sin in order to teach him a lesson? I don't believe so. In fact, I believe just the opposite: that God's command to "slay and eat" was NOT sin.
I don't believe either of you have yet addressed the other passages I have cited which I believe support the view I hold.
I look forward to continuing this discussion with you.
Michael
Claudia, again, I see where you're coming from, and I certainly agree with the idea of being health-conscious and that God knows what is best for us. However, I am a bit concerned when I read things like, "Let's try looking at the same passage but only from Matthew 15." The reason that concerns me is that the approach seems to disregard what Jesus clearly said in the Mark passage, supported in the other passages I cited. How can you reconcile the fact that Jesus does declare all meats "purged" with your view?
The idea? No. I believe He was getting rid of the law of not eating swine's flesh. There are things that are permissible to me, but not beneficial to me.
Bob, I'd like to point out that I'm not attempting to "nullify" the Word of God, but merely to see it as a whole, and when I look at it as a whole, I see passages (many of which I cited in previous posts) that seem to tell me that we am no longer bound by dietary laws. Also, Jesus called all meets purged in the Mark passage. I believe He broadened the context of the discussion to include all meats (or foods), mainly because He said "all meats." So did he mean it when He declared all meats purged or not?
Concerning the Acts 10 passage, God told Peter to kill and eat animals that, under the Old Covenant, were unclean. He was using that exercise to teach Peter a lesson, yet there is a crucial question which must be addressed: was God commanding Peter to sin in order to teach him a lesson? I don't believe so. In fact, I believe just the opposite: that God's command to "slay and eat" was NOT sin.
I don't believe either of you have yet addressed the other passages I have cited which I believe support the view I hold.
I look forward to continuing this discussion with you.
Michael